Tuesday 23 July 2019

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Stuart95, Jul 22, 2019.

  1. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Will MLS show it can compete with Liga MX in upcoming Leagues Cup?
    https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-l...-compete-with-liga-mx-in-upcoming-leagues-cup

    Atletico Madrid roster for MLS All-Star Game includes Felix
    https://sports.yahoo.com/atletico-madrid-roster-mls-star-234001002.html

    Sources: Vincent Tan exploring sale of 20% stake in LAFC
    https://www.thestar.com.my/sport/fo...n-exploring-sale-of-20-percent-stake-in-lafc/

    Montreal Impact, Harry Novillo agree to contract termination
    https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/montreal-impact/montreal-impact-harry-novillo-terminate-contract/

    After struggles, Pity Martinez steps up with dramatic game-winner
    https://www.ajc.com/sports/soccer/a...-dramatic-game-winner/RGlk7djcIUX5YWCXPXmz9O/

    Chicago Fire Soccer Club Acquires Defender Jonathan Bornstein
    https://www.chicago-fire.com/post/2...cer-club-acquires-defender-jonathan-bornstein

    Jonathan Lewis is producing for Colorado but misses New York City
    https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/ne...ducing-for-colorado-but-misses-new-york-city/

    Another Leeds United outcast poised for exit as Major League Soccer move looms
    https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/vurnon-anita-poised-leeds-united-16625365

    Motherwell: Chris Cadden move to MLS could cost club 280,000 euros
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49070898

    David Beckham in Miami on family vacation, toured condo, finalizing Inter Miami deals
    https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mls/article232967542.html
     
  2. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2 Bill Archer, Jul 23, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2019
    This is an interesting case with perhaps much broader implications.

    For training compensation purposes, FIFA has established categories for every league in the world and every team within based on revenue. This is (obviously) because if a player is transferring to a small club in a financially modest league, the target team can't be asked to pay what, say, Chelsea or Barca would.

    MLS and USSF say that Columbus Crew - and the rest of MLS - is category 4, the lowest, meaning Motherwell isnt owed anything as training compensation for Cadden ( or possibly $ 2000 per year. It's not entirely clear)

    Motherwell, where Cadden has trained since he was 9, says that MLS is a category 2 league, meaning that they are owed $40,000 for every year Cadden trained with the club.

    Cadden, a Scotland international, has been pursued by other teams, like Sunderland, which would net them !almost $300,000 in TC instead of, well, nothing.

    For anyone interested, here's FIFA's breakdown of how the system works:

    https://resources.fifa.com/mm/docum...registrationperiodsandeligibility_neutral.pdf

    Reportedly MLS asked the SFA for Caddens ITC sometime yesterday. Meanwhile, Cadden is out of contract and Motherwell cant stop the transfer either way. The SFA could, theoretically, but USSF would almost certainly take it straight to FIFA's Disputes and Resolutions Board.

    But if the two associations cant agree on MLS' income category, FIFA will have to make a ruling. This will entail FIFA looking at the books and deciding whether MLS makes money and how much.
     
  3. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    FIFA has already decreed US teams fit into categories 2-4. Do they distinguish between teams in a league or do all the teams pay the same? Man City is obviously category 1, is Burnley?

    Anyway, it's hard to see how even a lower revenue MLS side comes out at category 4, the same as a USL-1 team. Either all of MLS is category 2 or maybe the bottom revenue teams are in cat 3.
     
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  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In other areas of FIFA (mainly dealing with transfers/loans) FIFA treats MLS as one team due to single-entity and the fact that MLS holds all the ITC's since all the players work for MLS, not the individual teams. I wonder if the same thing is happening here. Since MLs isn't profitable none of its teams are considered to be profitable.
     
  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  6. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Garber or Sunil convinced FIFA that MLS isn't profitable? By that measure Real Madrid loses money too so they should be category 4.
     
  7. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The regulations - see the pdf I linked to - assigns each federation the job of deciding what category any given team within their national league should be assigned to.

    The fed - USSF in the case of MLS - is required to file a statement (every year, I think) stating the categories their various teams fall into.

    So putting every MLS team in Category 4 is something USSF did, beginning in 2017. Nobody has challenged it until now and unless FIFA changes the rules and takes that authority away from the federations - ALL the federations - then the Category 4 designation should stand.

    I'd only note that this puts the Charleston Battery and Hartford Athletic in exactly the same financial category as LAFC and FC Atlanta.

    In other words, it's ridiculous. But in theory, USSF gets to make that call.
     
  8. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    This thread so far has been an interesting window into the minutiae of what actually happens inside USSF aside from event planning and secretly plotting to keep your favorite foreign-based U-20 player off the field.
     
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  9. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's no "convincing"to be done.

    USSF submits a form assigning each professional team a Category. FIFA files it away.

    That is the entire process.
     
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  10. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aside from determining training compensation per year, what else does a club's listed category affect?
     
  11. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As far as I can tell, nothing. The sole purpose of the classification system, which is based not on club income or assets but on how much the club spends on youth training, is for the purpose of standardizing training compensation.

    Which is not to suggest that it might not have some further use down the road, such as requiring a certain level of expenditure or that spending on women's programs be equal to mens or some such.

    It's easy of course to be cynical about FIFA and it's motives, but at the end of the day FIFA is a bureaucracy, and when you give bureaucracies a bunch of numbers they often find uses for them other than what was originally intended.
     
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