Trump's Presidency IV: Stupefaction Jackson

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  1. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    They call it...

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  2. ElJefe

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    And encourage them to go to a community college or trade school to learn a skilled trade.
     
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  3. Chicago76

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    They did have both GED and technical training programs FWIW. As someone else mentioned earlier, a GED is pretty worthless. You don't need a GED with 20+ years of work experience to stock shelves at WalMart or to work as a cashier at a convenience store. Those are jobs the laid off workers can get, GED or not. Employees in those plants opted for technical training. The problem with that training is that while it may have opened up doors for them at Carrier or Rexnord, it doesn't do them any good when those places leave town.
     
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  4. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
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    Nah! You caught the moment.
     
  5. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    It depends on the type of technical training. There are plenty of jobs for electricians and welders and plumbers and such all over the country, and while those jobs don't pay CEO wages, they're still pretty good.
     
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  6. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

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    NYT just released some Ken Starr documents through FOIA from the Bill Clinton era. I don't have the attention span to read the whole document right now, but it looks like the legal document outlining why the president would not be immune from being indicted.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ential.html?src=twr&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

    It would be hilarious if Trump goes down at least partially based on the work Ken Starr did back then. I wonder what Newt Gingrich has to say about this.
     
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  7. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Mueller trying to flip Manafort. i imagine Flynn too.

    Mueller's team trying to flip Paul Manafort in Russia probe
    REUTERS

    Saturday, July 22, 2017, 2:40 PUBLIC
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    President Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort “is not a cooperating witness” in the Russia probe, Manafort’s spokesman said.

    WASHINGTON — U.S. investigators examining money laundering accusations against President Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort hope to push him to cooperate with their probe into possible collusion between Trump's campaign and Russia, two sources with direct knowledge of the investigation said.

    Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team is examining Manafort's financial and real estate records in New York as well as his involvement in Ukrainian politics, the officials said.

    Between 2006 and 2013, Manafort bought three New York properties, including one in Trump Tower in Manhattan. He paid for them in full and later took out mortgages against them. A former senior U.S. law enforcement official said that tactic is often used as a means to hide the origin of funds gained illegally. Reuters has no independent evidence that Manafort did this.


    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...rt-cooperation-russia-probe-article-1.3347651
     
  8. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Flynn was flipped months ago. That's why he hasn't been in the news. His lawyers are cooperating fully.
     
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  9. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    So much winning!!!!

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...d2d&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The budget deficit for President Donald Trump's first two years in office will be nearly $250 billion higher than initially estimated due to a shortfall in tax collections and a mistake in projecting military healthcare costs, budget chief Mick Mulvaney reported on Friday.

    In a mid-year update to Congress, Mulvaney, director of the Office of Management and Budget, revised the estimates supplied in late May when the Trump administration submitted its first spending plan.

    Since then, Mulvaney said, the deficit projected for the current fiscal year has increased by $99 billion, or 16.4 percent, to $702 billion. For 2018, the deficit will be $149 billion more than first expected, increasing by 33 percent to $589 billion.

    The figures come as the administration is facing widespread doubts among economists and analysts that it can erase government deficits largely by boosting economic growth and changing laws like the Affordable Care Act. ACA reform is facing a difficult path in Congress, and the Congressional Budget Office on Thursday said the administration's growth and deficit reduction plans were optimistic.

    The letter from Mulvaney said the bulk of the problem this year and next stems from lower-than-expected tax collections.

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  10. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Obama!!!
     
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  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Did The Amazing Jared solve the Middle East yet?

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  12. xtomx

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    He is still "curing" the opiod epidemic.
     
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  13. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
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    Salting? Hanging? Freeze drying?
     
  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    The problem for democrats is that what they offer (well the moderate side) will also not stop the jobs from leaving, retraining is not what they want, protectionism is what they want, the Sandernista side is the Democratic side offering that.
     
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  15. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    It's not really a Democratic or Republican problem. They're never coming back. Automation and a world economy will ensure that. Get a job that can't be outsourced, push for green jobs we can be a world leader at or pop pills. Not many other options.
     
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  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    The factory jobs that left weren't inherently better than the service jobs that are available now. They were better because they were union jobs. If the service sector becomes as unionized as the manufacturing sector was, the jobs will be as good. Better in one way; you can't outsource cashiers to Mexico.
     
  17. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    You can replace them with machines though...

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  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    #7868 Cascarino's Pizzeria, Jul 23, 2017
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    And when that becomes more prevalent the govt will just give people subsistence salaries for breathing and staying upright. Not sure I've seen a better solution for displaced workers.
     
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  19. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    That was kind of my implied point. Our GDP per [human] capita will probably stay around the same, but we need, as a society, to decide if we want a split between the owners of the means of production and the rest, or if we would be better of taxing them and spreading enough money around to guarantee a decent living for the populace.
     
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  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Well the middle class has taken it in the ear the last 30 years and Washington has been slow to react to the new PT jobs/outsourcing/offshoring reality. Putting faith in a lying POS in 2016 was incredibly dopey. But I guess Trumpanzees thought an outsourcing, over-leveraged CEO was the man for the job.
     
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  21. Deadtigers

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    but the cons got them all believing in "right to work"
     
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  22. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

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    I prefer to go to someone who is trained to use the machine.
     
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  23. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    Well, the Middle Class was conned by Reagan, the Bushes and now by Trump. Hopefully they'll learn something, other than "blame the democrats" and "forget that we voted for the dupe"
     
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  24. ElJefe

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    You can reduce the length of the work week for the jobs that are remaining and un-exempt a lot of hourly workers from overtime laws, thereby giving companies the choice of bringing on more staff or paying a crapload more overtime.
     
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  25. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

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    Exactly. We should be moving to a 32 hour work week.

    Personally I'm a big booster of the 24 hour economy and see that as a way for companies to boost efficiencies and increase production. In other words cutting to 32 hours means you need more workers to cover the same work hours. That might mean a bigger office or factory which is a cost. Instead of doing that, just extend hours of operation. This also gives workers scheduling flexibilities that fit their preference. This also removes congestion as our infrastructure is having trouble handling population growth.

    This would also be a family values evolution. For the first time in human history we've taken both parents out of the household for as much as 60 hours per week creating a disconnect from the parenting that children need to develop properly. Get both parents down closer to 32 and with more flexibility to customize hours.
     
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