trade & free agency ideas

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  1. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Conventional wisdom on this board is that if a player is not getting playing time for another team, that player must suck, because his coach knows best.
     
  2. alexiskool1991

    alexiskool1991 Member+

    May 9, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Macnamara and Erik Hurtado would be great
     
  3. alexiskool1991

    alexiskool1991 Member+

    May 9, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    We could generalize Colvey to everything, I guess.
     
  4. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I laid out my syllogism regarding Colvey in another thread, and I've explained what I believe to be yours. If your logic is different than the generalization, please explain it.
     
  5. SJTillIDie

    SJTillIDie Member+

    Aug 23, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I heard Innocent is playing in the cypriot league :ROFLMAO:
     
  6. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nice try, Don. Multiple coaches have not rated Colvey as an MLS starter.
     
  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't ever put Erik Hurtado and "great" in the same sentence please.
     
  8. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    Maybe better luck in San Marino. The entire population would not fill up Stanford Stadium
     
  9. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    #4984 don gagliardi, Jul 11, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2018
    Only one of whom is still a head coach in MLS, the others no longer being rated. And the coach who is still a head coach (for now) cannot defeat an expansion USL side in a meaningful match.
     
  10. Socarchist

    Socarchist Member+

    Feb 21, 2010
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    The goal went from competing for a MLS Cup to competing for the playoffs to wait until next year every year.

    This is what mismanagement looks like. Utter dysfunction.

    I half expect Fioranelli to recruit Vako's youth club coach to replace Stahre.

    Pay for a full season ticket plan for a team in playoff contention for less than half a season. I think the academy matches are free if you want to same some dough.
     
  11. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would venture to guess that Hudson has a pretty good grasp of Colvey's abilities since he has started him for New Zealand on many occasions. But, I think it is safe to say that Hudson knows MLS opposition is a few steps above Vanuatu, the Cook Islands, and New Caledonia.
     
  12. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    ...and Mexico and Peru and the U.S.?
     
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  13. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I get it that you, personally, don't believe that Colvey is MLS quality. We disagree. That's fine. People have different reasonable assessments of player abilities all the time, and I'm no expert. Indeed, I may have a profound ignorance of soccer.

    But your logical assumption that Hudson believes Colvey lacks MLS quality is flawed. Hudson affirmatively added Colvey to his MLS roster, where he remains. The more logical assumption, as I've postulated, is that Hudson believes there is a better starting left back option on his roster. I don't believe the same can be said for the Quakes, and I have not heard you assert that the Quakes have better left back options than Colvey currently on their roster.
     
  14. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As New Zealand coach, Hudson had to play the cards he was dealt. He is apparently holding a better hand in Colorado.
     
  15. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think in the past that I have said he could provide depth, but, I don't see him as a starter.
     
  16. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #4991 JazzyJ, Jul 11, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2018
    Hudson is not a coach who plays a possession -oriented style. So for the more direct style he plays, he apparently prefers other options most of the time. As I said Colvey fits best in a possession-oriented scheme. For New Zealand, yes he probably has fewer options and chooses Colvey most of the time even though he's not a great fit stylistically.

    And as stated previously, Hudson's record in MLS is not exactly something that would inspire great respect for his lineup selections and tactics.
     
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  17. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Who on the Quakes' existing roster do you play ahead of Colvey?
     
  18. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Well, that explains why Hudson affirmatively dealt himself Colvey for his Colorado roster.
     
  19. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you want to make the argument that the Quakes are so dire at left back that Colvey could be starting there, then fine. He couldn't be any worse than the trio of less-than-MLS starting quality LB's/wingbacks we have tried there, Salinas, Qwiberg, and Partida.
     
  20. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And currently sitting in his discard pile.
     
  21. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    That's been the premise all along. :)
     
  22. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I said he couldn't be any worse, I did not say he would shine with the light of a thousand suns.(or register and unheard of 7 key passes in one half)
     
  23. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Nice strawman. The point of "7 key passes" was not that "he would shine the light of a thousand suns", it was that was a very strong performance. Again, based on that I would have liked to have seen more. Not that I'd expect him to repeat that, but simply that it showed some real promise.
     
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  24. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was thrown in there just to jerk your chain, Jazzy.;):p
     
  25. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    What is the fascination on this board with Kip Colvey? Is there really something there? Is he simply this year’s flavor of Adam Jahn? Whatever the answer is, it’s water under the bridge. I don’t understand why people obsess over stuff like this...
     
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