Top-15 USA/CAN Major Soccer Champions

Discussion in 'CONCACAF' started by gremio1903, Feb 4, 2015.

  1. gremio1903

    gremio1903 Member+

    Aug 10, 2011
    Uruguaiana, RS (BRA) [last: Rockville, MD]
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    After the 2014 season, here is the ranking (folded teams included):

    Pos. Team: Total (D1 Cup - D1 Reg. Season - Nat. Cup)
    1. NY Cosmos: 12 (5-7-0)
    T2. DC United: 11 (4-4-3)
    -. LA Galaxy: 11 (5-4-2)
    4. Montreal Impact: 9 (0-0-9)
    5. Chicago Fire: 6 (1-1-4)
    T6. Columbus Crew: 5 (1-3-1)
    - Seattle Sounders: 5 (0-1-4)
    - Sporting KC: 5 (2-1-2)
    - Maccabi LA: 5 (0-0-5)
    - Bethlehem Steel: 5 (0-0-5)
    T11. SJ Earthquakes: 4 (2-2-0)
    - Toronto: 4 (0-0-4)
    - NY Greek Americans: 4 (0-0-4)
    - Philadelphia Ukrainians: 4 (0-0-4)
    - Fall River Marksmen: 4 (0-0-4)


    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_and_Canadian_soccer_champions
     
  2. blacksun

    blacksun Member+

    Mar 30, 2006
    Seoul, Korea
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is a bit misleading as it does not include the league results for Fall River or Bethlehem Steel, both of whom played in the top division (ASL at the time) for at least part of their existence). The Soccer War makes it a bit hard to definitively give a number of titles, but Bethlehem Steel should have at least 1 regular season title (2 if you count their win in 1921 as the Philadelphia Field Club) while Fall River should have 8 regular season titles and 7 playoff titles.
     
    gremio1903 repped this.
  3. gremio1903

    gremio1903 Member+

    Aug 10, 2011
    Uruguaiana, RS (BRA) [last: Rockville, MD]
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    I actually have put some thought on that, but I eventually decided against it. I am open for arguments, but that fact that those leagues seemed REGIONAL to me lead to disregard them as NATIONAL titles.
     
  4. fridge46

    fridge46 Member

    Oct 23, 2011
    I think it is also misleading that you are using 2002-2007 Voyageurs Cup counting as the national cup of Canada. Between this period, it was not an individual tournament but a "competition" taking into account USL regular season match ups between Canadian clubs only.

    Several of this kind of competition still exist, namely Cascadia Cup, which has been awarded since 2004. I think it is wrong to elevate the status of the 2002-7 Voyageurs Cup over such cups because it involved the only professional teams of an individual nation. Furthermore, the 2007 Voyageurs Cup did not involve all professional clubs - Toronto FC was not taken into account as they did not play matches against USL Canadian clubs.

    In actual fact, "Open Canada Cup" operated as the national cup of Canada between 1998 and 2007. Although it was mainly entered by those who played entirely within the Canadian soccer pyramid, USL teams did occasionally enter.
     
    gremio1903 repped this.
  5. gremio1903

    gremio1903 Member+

    Aug 10, 2011
    Uruguaiana, RS (BRA) [last: Rockville, MD]
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Thanks. I will take a better look on that. Canadian Soccer, I confess, is complicated!
     
  6. gremio1903

    gremio1903 Member+

    Aug 10, 2011
    Uruguaiana, RS (BRA) [last: Rockville, MD]
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    On Open Canada Cup, it is not an issue here. Since no team has won it more than three times, accepting the tournament or not, no team would make the ranking.
     
  7. gremio1903

    gremio1903 Member+

    Aug 10, 2011
    Uruguaiana, RS (BRA) [last: Rockville, MD]
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    My point here is that Canada Soccer Association accepted the trophy as the one given to Canada's National Champion when taking it as the official trophy for the National Championship. Since there is a continuation, I believe there is no reason to treat its champions differently.
     
  8. gremio1903

    gremio1903 Member+

    Aug 10, 2011
    Uruguaiana, RS (BRA) [last: Rockville, MD]
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    2015 National Cups Champions:
    Canada – Vancouver Whitecaps FC
    USA – Sporting Kansas City

    Pos. Team: Total (D1 Cup - D1 Reg. Season - Nat. Cup)
    1. NY Cosmos: 12 (5-7-0)
    T2. DC United: 11 (4-4-3)
    -. LA Galaxy: 11 (5-4-2)
    4. Montreal Impact: 9 (0-0-9)
    T5. Chicago Fire: 6 (1-1-4)
    - Sporting KC: 6 (2-1-3)
    T7. Columbus Crew: 5 (1-3-1)
    - Seattle Sounders: 5 (0-1-4)
    - Maccabi LA: 5 (0-0-5)
    - Bethlehem Steel: 5 (0-0-5)
    T11. SJ Earthquakes: 4 (2-2-0)
    - Toronto: 4 (0-0-4)
    - NY Greek Americans: 4 (0-0-4)
    - Philadelphia Ukrainians: 4 (0-0-4)
    - Fall River Marksmen: 4 (0-0-4)

    --

    Vancouver Whitecaps FC: 2 (1-0-1)
     
  9. gremio1903

    gremio1903 Member+

    Aug 10, 2011
    Uruguaiana, RS (BRA) [last: Rockville, MD]
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    2015 D1 Regular Season Champions:
    MLS - NY Red Bulls

    2015 D1 Cup Champions:
    MLS - Portland Timbers FC

    2016 National Cups Champions:
    Canada – Toronto FC
    USA – FC Dallas

    2016 D1 Regular Season Champions:
    MLS - FC Dallas

    --

    Pos. Team: Total (D1 Cup - D1 Reg. Season - Nat. Cup)
    1. NY Cosmos: 12 (5-7-0)
    T2. DC United: 11 (4-4-3)
    -. LA Galaxy: 11 (5-4-2)
    4. Montreal Impact: 9 (0-0-9)
    T5. Chicago Fire: 6 (1-1-4)
    - Sporting KC: 6 (2-1-3)
    T7. Toronto: 5 (0-0-5)
    - Columbus Crew: 5 (1-3-1)
    - Seattle Sounders: 5 (0-1-4)
    - Maccabi LA: 5 (0-0-5)
    - Bethlehem Steel: 5 (0-0-5)
    T12. SJ Earthquakes: 4 (2-2-0)
    - NY Greek Americans: 4 (0-0-4)
    - Philadelphia Ukrainians: 4 (0-0-4)
    - Fall River Marksmen: 4 (0-0-4)

    --

    FC Dallas: 3 (0-1-2)
    NY Red Bulls: 2 (0-2-0)
    Portland Timbers FC: 1 (1-0-0)
     
  10. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    The best ever is RSL in my opinion
     

Share This Page