I still dont get it..........not playing him is the solution to prevent him from being arrogant? Whats that? And putting him off the spotlight by not playing him? Come on, for a Youth World Cup MVP, he is destinated to be put under spotlight. Pele, Maradona, Matthaus, Van Basten, Beckenbauer and now Rooney, C,Ronaldo, MEssi, Aguero, Bojan and Walcott have have been put under he spotlight at very young age and all have seen as hopes of their countries before they player regular professional football. The question is: Why should Kroos be an exception? Is Honess stupid enough to think that," oh, if i don't play Kroos, peoplw will forget about him!" But in reality, the German media is a;ready starting to bring up examples of lost talents such as Timm, Auer and Ricken to compare them with the "wonderkid" Toni Kroos. I m rather objective in this matter coz i m never a big fan of Kroos(not an enemy either). but i think young players should play in order to improve. Simple as that, no mind games or whatsoever. He should be loaned to a mid-table club like Dortmund or Frankfurt or Karlshruher or whatever. They'll cry for his service and he'll benfited by 1) gaining valuable match practice in BL just like Hummels 2) Moving away from BM is actually the best way to keep him out of the spotlight. Afterall, BM is way too high profile these days in Germany. "FC Hollywood" itslef makes everyone under spotlight. Even Lell and Ottl sometimes. Honess is never a good general manager. Big-mouth but he should use his brain before he acts. He isn;t any better than his brother who thinks having dozens of Brazilains in Hertha Berlin will make them the BL champion. Gosh, i really wanna know what the Honess brothers are made of.
You guys should understand something, Bayern's priority is Bayern, always has and always will be. When was the last time Bayern gave such a young player consistent time on the pitch or even started him on a regular basis? People keep bringing up foreign names and other clubs but thats completely besides the point since this is a different situation alltogether.
i'm Bayern fan myself but there is no need to give Bayern excuses. Saying Bayern's priority is Bayern is rly a bad excuse. Its a bad one cause Bayern is damaging themselfs with the way they develop talent or better said dont develop it. There are simply too many failures in the last year. Without Lahm it would be one big disaster. Guys like Trochowski had to go. Players like Schweinsteiger and Podolski stagnate at Bayern or get worse and then there are players like Jansen and Schlaudrauff who get bought while Bayern has obviously no clue what to do with them. So how is it good for Bayern if so many players fail there? I mean i have hopes for this season that these things change with Klinsmann but critic must be allowed looking at the track record of Bayern in the last ten years. In the past the players developed to world class at Bayern, this is something im missing nowadays. Also noone can denie that clubs in germany are simply too reluctant to use young players and want to "protect" them. You dont get this stupid stuff in any other country. Now you could say that its not only Bayerns fault and thats ofc true but its also just reality that Bayern has and always will have quite a few of germanys best (young) players in their hands and this means also some responsibility for their development.
LOL poor DF I wasn't sure there was going to be a new thread allowed when i saw the little padlock next to the 2nd one
Then why'd they buy him? He needs to play several games in a row, preferably but not necessarily without the pressure to succeed immediately. Then you can judge if he deserves to be a starter for an extended period. Bayern conditions are not the best at all for an 18 year old. Ribery and Toni will be ok but they are mature people.
Ricken's case - he wasn't as much of a talent as we all thought he would be. He got plently of playing time.
Obviously they recognize his talent and want to make him part of Bayern's future. How and at what rate they chose to develop him and bring him into the team is up to them and them alone.
If he fails at Bayern he can come to his favorite club: ... Werder. Nah, serious, i wish him a good season, because he´s part of my kicker online manager team.
You're talking as if what they are doing is going to work for sure. I think that (from my outside perspective) playing at a club like Marin or Gomez did would give him a better chance.
Well I would like to believe that a club believes in what its doing and knows how to handle things like young talents. It would be quite worrying if they are skeptical about their plans at this stage. Thats your opinion and everyone else who wants to see him play more soon. Bayern's management don't think that way.
No! Honess is the worst GM in terms of developing youngsters, actually both the Honess brothers have similar problems. I still remember what K.P.Boateng, Schroch, Dejagah and J.Boateng complained about the treatment of youngsters in Hertha Berlin under Honess. Uli is obviously a different person but he doesn't seem to know how to handle youngsters who are not mature or not well-developed yet. He brought in Toni, Ribery.......wel,, yes they were great buy but both are more ready. A GM of a club should be responsible in many different aspects. Honess is never an allrounded GM. And he still yet to produce any good local player for the club yet.........but ruining them so far. Lahm;s career was nearly ruined if he wasn't loaned to Stuttgart earlier. My point is, if BM is looking for established player who is ready to play in the current season.........they shouldn't buy Kroos in the first place. they'll never play him coz he'll never be ready if he never plays.
bayern have a pretty crap record developing young players into superstars or even very good players. If it works, which I hope it will, it'll be tougher for kroos than at another club.
Seems to me you're confusing what you want to see happen with Kroos with what Bayern want to see happen with him. They bought Kroos because they probably didn't want another club to get him before they did. Buying him early didn't mean he was going to play early. I don't think they bought him expecting him to play as a first teamer right away.
And it irks some people that bayern do this with germany's talent most times. It would have meant that he was going to play early if he was bought by someone else - who would be buying him because they need him; moreso than to keep him away from other teams in the medium-term.
no guarantees but were there with marin and gomez? With oezil? With per mertesacker? Lahm is a case where bayern did what they should do with kroos right now and look how he turned out
Right, you can make the case for that path to be right path of development. However, like you said, there are no guarantees and the fact is that Bayern believe what they are doing with Kroos is the right thing to do. What if they turn out to be right in the near future and it just takes a bit of time?
Then I will be happy... So let's see how this path bayern are going on works out. They have to have Kroos on a clearly (to him) set path