Timothy Tillman at Greuther Fürth

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, Apr 29, 2014.

  1. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    FJ could not play for Germany in 2011
     
  2. Ironbound

    Ironbound Member+

    Jul 1, 2009
    Yep. That's why. You nailed it.
     
  3. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You notice that Spain hasn't won a single World Cup since Diego Costa was recruited in.
     
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  4. Ironbound

    Ironbound Member+

    Jul 1, 2009
    Q.E.D.
     
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  5. Gacm32

    Gacm32 Member+

    Chelsea
    Switzerland
    Nov 28, 2010
    Geneva
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Ummm, ok? If Dennis Aogo and Marcell Jansen could get call-ups back then, I'm sure Fabian was in the running. Fabian at Hoffenheim in 2011-2012 season: 33 apps 3 goals
    Dennis Aogo at Hamburger SV in 2011-2012 season: 33 apps 1 goals
    That year Hoffenheim finished 11th place
    Hamburger finished 15th place.
    None of this really matters, because neither of us were in Low's head during this period.
     
  6. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    You cited FJ as an example of a player who could play for a better national team but chose a different option based on a number of factors.

    I'm saying that's not true. At the time FJ chose to play for the USA it was apparent he couldn't play for the German senior team. There is no evidence or suggestion he was spurning the DFB to join ussoccer.

    It would appear from how his career went he chose to play for the USA because that was his only realistic option to play international football. I have no reason to believe any other consideration went into it.
     
  7. bigt8917

    bigt8917 Member+

    May 10, 2015
    Here's the difference with Germany and France selection, or "recruiting", process. Those Turkish and Algerian players who choose their parents origin are homegrown players. Neither of these federations are scouring the villages and neighborhoods of Turkey, or Poland, or west Africa looking for eligible players. They choose players who know their land, their language (team communication), and their colors. Yes, Eder was not born in Portugal, but he knows the land, the language, and the shirt from growing up playing football on Portuguese fields.
     
  8. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course, because Western European federations won't find many eligible and useful players in those areas. On the other hand, Turkey definitely scours the youth academies in Germany for players of Turkish descent and IIRC even receives updates from the DFB on any eligible dual nats.
     
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  9. bigt8917

    bigt8917 Member+

    May 10, 2015
    At the risk of sounding "bad", all of those players are very close to their Turkish roots, so integration is also easier. Cahanoglu is a good example. His heart is with Turkey. He didn't choose Turkey only because he had nothing better to do on intl break. The situation with Tillman is shaping up to be just that if the reports are accurate.
     
  10. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That might be a fair generalization specific to the Turkish diaspora in Germany, though there are those who switched to get a fair chance at getting caps (Malli is a recent one). Ultimately you don't know how the player feels until Klinsmann/Herzog talk to them personally - he could be a Boyd or a Toljan or anything in between.
     
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  11. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not just France and Germany, with Turkish/Algerian players. How about Diego Costa? You think he knows much about Spain? He was born and raised in Brazil. Or Thiago Motta for Italy. Or Nani, who's from Cape Verde? Podolski, and the other Poles in the German system? Or Neven Subotic and Serbia? You think those guys weren't recruited by their respective national teams?

    And regardless of which system they are raised in, it's guaranteed that some (I'm sure not all) of the French/German dual nationals have been recruited by France and Germany. They don't have to go far, but they'd have to have recruited guys like Boateng, Gundogan, Mustafi, Sagna, Evra, and others. Simply having access to other teams means FA's need to talk to players and make sure that they stay home.

    Finally, can we not use Gedion Zelalem because he spent time in Germany? Or Manneh because he spent his formative years in (I assume) Gambia?
     
  12. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    National team talk needs to go to USA Men or News and Analysis, please.
     
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  13. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Starts for the U19s against Rostov:
     
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  14. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    A mini-profile from a few days ago, which mainly seems to indicate that his mom's name is Anja, and he apparently had a shot at FC Nürnberg as a kid but didn't rock the tryout.

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    http://sportbild.bild.de/fussball/s...s-spielmacher-der-zukunft-47707442.sport.html

    It also apparently mentions his family's relationship with his father, but I'm not going to guess at the translation given that it's personal and I'd hate to get it wrong.
     
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  15. Lothar

    Lothar Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Tuscaloosa
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It says that when he moved to a new club in 2007 his father, a member of the US military, had already left the family. It also says that very few players of his age cohort in Germany can do what he does with the ball at his feet. It says he was invited to a US training session last October but declined because he, just like his brother, would rather play for Germany.
    Good find!
     
  16. ShadowMoses2

    ShadowMoses2 Member

    Aug 24, 2015
    Austin, Tx
    Lets just say I wouldn't blame him for not wanting to play for the USA then.
     
  17. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    If you're referring to the part about his dad walking out on the family, well, that's been the story with almost every German-American player that has played for the USA.
     
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  18. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007

    According to this article (reported by an American), he was publicly declaring his "always interest" in USA. Now that he is seen as a potential uber-prospect in Germany, he is choosing his words carefully. After all he plays in Germany and Bayern Munich is a German club.

    http://owhentheyanks.com/2015/08/18/bayern-adds-us-eligible-pair/
     
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  19. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007
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  20. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Almost every" would be an exaggeration... Jones, Chandler, Boyd fit that description, but most of the remainder have their fathers involved in their lives, even if the parents divorced.
     
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  21. chrome_vapors

    chrome_vapors Member+

    Oct 15, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry but that's horse shit.
     
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  22. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    That's true, I misspoke. But it's a high amount for such a small group of players, even going back to Thomas Dooley.
     
  23. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One way to look at it... the ones where it didn't work ended up raised in Germany. The majority of the ones where it worked out, ended up raised in the US and we never hear about them.
     
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  24. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the opposite end of the spectrum, Danny Williams' dad settled down in Germany permanently.
     
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  25. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Starts in UEFA Youth League match against Athletico Madrid:

    And scores in the 4th minute:
     

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