Timmy and Donovan don't walk alone: Merseyside Derby 2/6, 7:45am

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad Gameday' started by YankatOxford, Feb 5, 2010.

  1. vponce75

    vponce75 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 16, 2004
    SoCal
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't really agree with you on the gameday thread but I have to say I agree with you here.
     
  2. wsmaugham

    wsmaugham Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Chicago
    This is exactly right. Which is why it's illustrative to see what a neutral site says (Sky) without a pony in the race. Everton fan reactions are overwhelmingly colored by the overall result.
     
  3. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    A few weeks ago Donovan was pedestrian in a win against Wigan, and people counted that against him, because even though Everton won that shouldn't mitigate the fact that LD supposedly was average.

    Yesterday, Landon played very well while his team stunk, and now people are counting it against him because, and I quote:

    Everton were terrible. Donovan was part of it. When you have a game like that -- especially one in which your team is up a man for a large portion of the game -- it's pretty pointless to denote a MOTM. they were all pants.

    Seriously?
     
  4. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The start of the year was very poor for the entire defense,thanks largely IMO to the Lescott drama.

    They and he have improved since then.
     
  5. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Keep it simple, man. An attacking player's job is to create goals. Altidore for example is creating goals at a rate of more than 1 every other game and doing so on a poorly resourced team. If the end of LD's latest European foray sees decent attacking numbers then we can say he didn't perform too badly.
     
  6. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    And you continue to go out of your way to marginalize Landon Donovan. Why people can't simply accept that he's a good player and doing a good job is beyond me. That's simple.
     
  7. vponce75

    vponce75 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 16, 2004
    SoCal
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But I don't think it is fair to say an 'attacking' player can't have a good game in which his team does not score.
     
  8. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    hahaha! C'mon, you're reading a bit too much into my comments. All I'm saying is wait until the end of his loan and tally the numbers. I'm not advocating passing judgement on the man at this point; he hasn't had enough games.
     
  9. Tony Dellbird

    Tony Dellbird English and Proud

    Mar 26, 2004
    Jolly Ol' England
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Story of your season isn't it. Who were you actually missing? Johnson and Torres?

    Try Baines for best player. We lost, so what. Can't argue with that. There's not much to tell between the two sides anymore. Compared to last season. If you get 4th I'll buy you a beer mate.
     
  10. Tony Dellbird

    Tony Dellbird English and Proud

    Mar 26, 2004
    Jolly Ol' England
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Running around making runs doesn't make a good performance does it? Impact does. What did Donovan do apart from the run? He had a few good touches. He was about the same as Fellaini. Fellaini was bossing the midfield for his time on the pitch.
     
  11. vponce75

    vponce75 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 16, 2004
    SoCal
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair enough but would you also be reserving judgements about LD until the end of the loan if he was stuck on the bench at this point and only seeing minutes as a sub? I won't speak for you but I know others would be quick to calling the move a failure if that were the case.
     
  12. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Absolutely. I'm addressing the aggregate of a player's performances though. I mean Bobby Zamora had many a 'good game' last season and Hoggs was not surprisingly looking to unload him. This season he's scoring goals and all of sudden there was talk of England calling.

    There isn't much room for Emile Heskey types out there and even Heskey's career fortunes haven't been consistent.
     
  13. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    heh heh. I'm a card carrying member of the Give Adu a Chance Club.
     
  14. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would not call it random, Timmy is a great shot stopper, but his weakness has always been crosses. He has gotten a lot better, but it is still a relative weakness.
     
  15. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    relative to what? Perfection?
     
  16. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think this is an important point. One reason for Donovan's "lack of productivity", if you can call it that, is that he and Neville aren't on the same page for much of (all of) their games. In earlier games, Neville was simply booting the ball upfield towards Cahill and Saha at every opportunity. Yesterday, Donovan was often playing inside and not stretching the field as one might think he should be doing playing against a man down. Either way, they aren't combining well. If they were, I think Donovan would get more touches and thereby more chances to put his impact on the game.
     
  17. arkjayback

    arkjayback Member

    Mar 29, 2008
    Le Mars, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fellaini was bossing the midfield? He played for 30-something minutes before he came out. His lack of composure was just as evident as Pienaar's and he wasn't making any kinda of strong impact either.

    "Running around" is not a fair description either. That's using descriptive words to fit your opinion. I may be rating Donovan higher than he was, but Fellaini was not owning the midfield yesterday.
     
  18. arkjayback

    arkjayback Member

    Mar 29, 2008
    Le Mars, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We're up to 766 posts in this thread now. That gives Donovan the #1 and #2 biggest gameday threads ever, right? The Man City thread had over 600, so that was like top 5 also, right?
     
  19. Arteta's Girl

    Arteta's Girl Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    Liverpool, UK
    Club:
    Everton FC

    I too thought Baines was our best player, but up til he went off, I still think Fellaini was the best player on the pitch. Can't help but think we would have won had he been on the pitch for 90.

    Donovan tried his best, he made some smart runs, terrified Insua a fair number of times (I liked that he was running at him, I have barely seen him take players on in his time here, like he took on Insua), but like the rest of the team, final pass/touch was lacking. He was one of our better players.
     
  20. Tony Dellbird

    Tony Dellbird English and Proud

    Mar 26, 2004
    Jolly Ol' England
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Watch the game again is all I'm going to say.

    My sentiments exactly. Donovan was in the top 3 but wasn't the best IMO.
     
    1 person likes this.
  21. Arteta's Girl

    Arteta's Girl Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    Liverpool, UK
    Club:
    Everton FC
    To be fair, I agree with Tony. Liverpool had zip when Fellaini was on the pitch, I can barely recall them getting near our penalty area other than the frantic start, until Fellaini went off.
     
  22. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Relative to his abilities as a shot stopper....
     
  23. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    NV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fellaini was a huge loss in that match. He was the last player Everton needed to lose in that physical of a match.
     
    1 person likes this.
  24. adi21

    adi21 Member

    United States
    Mar 17, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly.Why is everybody giving him a pass on the play :mad:.
    Kyut was marked by Neville :rolleyes:
     
  25. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Neville isn't a Yank, so his performance is not real relevant. Howard screwed up and showed off his biggest issue.

    Donovan was just OK, at least Moyes left him in.
     

Share This Page