Time to Give Venezuela the Respect It's Earned?

Time to Give Venezuela the Respect It's Earned

Last night FC Caracas beat San Lorenzo 2-0. I know its just the first leg of the tie but considering that Caracas beat River Plate last year it continues a run of impressive results.
This combined with a decent run of national teams results and a great Copa America shows that Venezuelan futbol continues to grow.
But I don't see Venezuela getting the respect it deserves. I can't get scores from their championship. I rarely see any news about Venezulean soccer on Anglo or Spanish TV despite the fact that Venezuelan futbol is now comparable to every country on the continent except Brazil and Argentina.
I know Venezuela is called "el pais de beisbol" but that doesn't mean you can't play soccer also.
What's happening here?

 

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Just one correction.
I believe the Caracas win was in group play.
Still an important win.

 

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well, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here. You had a very easy group in the Copa America and were playing home. And then you got killed in the quarterfinals 4-1 by uruguay. Caracas was the first team to make it out of the group stage in the new set up from Venezuela. They had a great first game this year to start off as well, but that is the only team from Venezuela making noise.

Union Maracaibo finished dead last in their group drawing 2 games and losing 4. They lost 4-2 at home and 2-1 away to Parana (team from Brasil that is now in the second division). Their 2 draws came against Real potosi, a team from Bolivia. Against Flamengo they lost 3-1 and 2-1. Deportivo Tachira lost 2-1 and 2-0 in the qualifying round against Dep. Tolima of Colombia. This year Mineiros got eliminated in the qualifying round against Arsenal, losing 2-0 and then 3-2 on aggregate.

In the 2007 Copa Sudamericana, neither Venezuelan team could make it out of the Venezuela/Ecuador preliminary rounds, and neither in the 2006 out of the Venezuela.Colombia preliminary rounds. Both including some aggregates that were very unkind (Carabobo Fc lost 6-1 aggregate in '07 and 5-0 aggregate in '06)

And before you talk about the qualifying, you've beaten Ecuador and Bolivia, the only two nations that have about as little footballing history as Venezuela, while losing against Colombia (at home) and Argentina (also at home)

 

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Before I start,
its difficult to get scores and highlights from Venezuelan soccer because the sports channels and the big TV stations in Venezuela don't support soccer at all, but they will do anything to show a baseball game.

<Bosterosoy> You have some descent points, but its obvious that you are saying 1/2 truths to make a point


- You had a very easy group in the Copa America and were playing home. And then you got killed in the quarterfinals 4-1 by uruguay.
Yes, just like any other team that has hosted Copa America.
The game that Uruguay won was actually a close game that Uruguay went up in the scoreboard by an amazing goal from Garcia who happens to be the last person you think of when it comes to scoring impressive goals.

- Caracas was the first team to make it out of the group stage in the new set up from Venezuela.
Wrong, Minerven (93), Estudiantes (99), Tachira (2002) got to quarterfinals.
Tachira got to quarterfinals as the only undefeated team out of the 16 teams that were playing.

- (CaracasFC) They had a great first game this year to start off as well, but that is the only team from Venezuela making noise.
You forgot that UA-Maracaibo beat Velez 4-2 and beat Pumas in 1-0 and 3-1?

- This year Mineiros got eliminated in the qualifying round against Arsenal, losing 2-0 and then 3-2 on aggregate.
Good job avoiding to mention that Mineros won 2-1 the 2nd game.

- In the 2007 Copa Sudamericana, neither Venezuelan team could make it out of the Venezuela/Ecuador preliminary rounds
Venezuela send the 4th & 5th team to Copa Sudamericana,
unlike all the other countries that send their best teams

- And before you talk about the qualifying, you've beaten Ecuador and Bolivia, the only two nations that have about as little footballing history as Venezuela, while losing against Colombia (at home) and Argentina (also at home)
Both games against Colombia and Argentina were very close games

 

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Why don't you mention the record between Venezuela and argentinian teams in the last 6 years?

Venezuela: 5-4–2
Argentina: 2–4-5

Caracas 2-0 San Lorenzo
Mineros 2-1 Arsenal
Arsenal 1-0 Mineros
Caracas 3-1 River (played in Colombia)
River 0-1 Caracas
Caracas 1-1 Banfield
Banfield 3-1 Caracas
UAM 4-3 Velez
Velez 1-1 UAM
Tachira 0-0 River
River 2-2 Tachira

 

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Danillo-25, also with all the stuff your wrote, it still doesn't prove the fact that I was trying to disprove, that hummstein said that

I don't think they are near Uruguay, Paraguay, Mexico or Colombia along with Brasil and Argentina

 

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Also, if we go back as far as you've stated, we can also include the incredible Tachira team of 2005 that won 1 game, lost 5 and had 17 goals scored against them. There only win against a team form Brasil's second division and then lsot to that same team 6-0. And the 2005 Caracas that also finished dead last in their group. And the Tachira of 2001 that lost 5 games, got a draw against Penarol and had 12 goals against and 3 in favor.

Also,

So in 15 years, 4 teams made the round of 16 and 1 made the quarterfinals. Yes that definitely shows that Venezuela is up there with the likes of Paraguay, Uruguay, Colombia, Chile and Mexico (not including Brasil and Argentina)
Also, have you noticed that you had the benefit of playing River Plate for 4 of those games? That's a team that is known for losing in style and choking all the time in international tournaments.

 

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bien creido este gil!

Hijo de maradona? cocky? ummmmmmm

 

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Are you sure?
Looks at this article from 2007 (before Uruguay beat us a couple of times)

http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story?id=517978&page=story
Los tiene de hijos
Uruguay tropezó nuevamente con Venezuela, su sombra de los últimos años, y la prensa uruguaya ya no duda decir que los tiene de hijos

Actualizado: 9 de enero de 2007
MONTEVIDEO -- Uruguay tropezó nuevamente con Venezuela, su sombra de los últimos años, y la prensa uruguaya ya no duda en hablar de la paternidad de la "vinotinto" sobre la "celeste" en fútbol.

Esta vez le tocó sufrir al seleccionado sub20 que participa en el torneo sudamericano que se disputa en Paraguay, y que cayó el lunes por 1-0 ante Venezuela en la primera jornada del Grupo B.

"Otra vez Venezuela: nos tiene de hijos", tituló en portada el martes el diario Ultimas Noticias, y La República coincide destacando que "Venezuela también derrota a Uruguay en juveniles. Nos tienen de hijos".

"Venezuela, sin ser nada del otro mundo, y con muy poco, le ganó a Uruguay en el debut continental", señala Ultimas Noticias, que comenta además que la derrota celeste "complicó seriamente sus chances" de avanzar en el certamen.

Ese mismo diario había publicado el lunes una estadística de los últimos enfrentamientos de fútbol entre ambos países, que concluía que "en el siglo XXI Venezuela nos ganó más que Argentina y Brasil". El diario tomó en cuenta los partidos de las categorías juveniles (sub17, sub20 y sub23) y de mayores desde 2001 y encontró que en 10 partidos jugados contra Venezuela, Uruguay perdió cinco, empató dos y ganó tres.

 

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Watching the build up to the Maracaibo - Boca Match.
Regardless of the final outcome --the atmosphere is electric.
Definitely what you'd expect in a place that cares about futbol.

 

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There are no small or push over teams anymore.. and yes props to Venezuelan teams, i hope they keep this level of game so that Libertadores gets more interesting and less predictable.

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Asi como la Vinotino tiene una paternidad por sobre Uruguay el ultimo tiempo, los clubes venezolanos hacen lo propios con los argentinos, eh?

Metro

 

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that's great and everything but that statement I was referring to club teams and club level the poster said that only brasil and argentina were ahead of Venezuela, putting them on the same page as Paraguay, Uruguay, Mexico, and Colombia, which I think is a joke on the club level and for some of those countries on the national team level as well

 

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Games between venezuelan and argentinian teams in the las 12 months:
Venezuela: 4-1-1
Argentina: 1-1-4

River 0-1 Caracas
Caracas 3-1 River
Arsenal 1-0 Mineros
Mineros 2-1 Arsenal
Caracas2-0 San Lorenzo
Maracaibo 1-1 Boca

 

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Ese Gregory Lancken que jugo de central para el UAM anoche...de que origen es? No me suena muy venezolano el nombre.

Metro

 

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"Origin" is different than "nationality".
Lancken does sounds more English than Spanish, hence why I asked (I am well aware that he's Venezuelan, passport-wise).

Metro

 

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Gregory Lancken es Oriental moreno de Cuidad Bolivar. Gregory es un nombre comun medio malandrozo pero comun.

Lancken..... puede ser que su padre sea de Guyana.

 

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En Venezuela no es nada raro conseguirse a personas con nombres o apellidos portugueses, italianos y/o alemanes.

Yo soy de Caracas y ahi hay colonias grandes de espanoles, portugueses, italianos, alemanes.
Y no es raro conseguir a un Joao Da Silva, Giovanni Vitali, etc, etc.

Aqui esta la pagina del Centro Italo Venezolano para que la veas.
http://www.civ.com.ve/ItaloWEB/home.do

 

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Otro regalo para <Bosterosoyyo>



Empate del UAM ante Boca
amplia dominio venezolano en Copa Libertadores
:: 22 Feb 2008

Balonazos.com.- El empate del Unión Atlético Maracaibo ante el multi campeón argentino Boca Juniors, es el quinto de los clubes venezolanos desde que regresaron a participar en la Copa Libertadores de América en la edición del 2004, sin tener que eliminarse con los representantes mexicanos.

Desde el año 2004 a esta fecha hemos intervenido ininterrumpidamente en la Libertadores con el Caracas FC, Unión Atlético Maracaibo, Deportivo Táchira y Mineros de Guayana y en el saldo es ampliamente favorable, inclusive para el UAM que en tres juegos no ha perdido contra los sureños.

Doce juegos desde el 2004
Ya van doce encuentros los disputados por los argentinos Boca Juniors, Vélez Sarfield, San Lorenzo, Banfield y River Plate ante los venezolanos y apenas nos han ganado dos veces, ambas en Buenos Aires.

Cinco triunfos..

En el 2004 el Unión Atlético Maracaibo se enfrentó a Vélez Sarfield en el partido de vuelta con el uruguayo chileno José Luis Siviero como técnico, en el Pachecho Romero. El UAM derrotó 4x2 a Vélez con José Luis Chilavert como aruqero de los visitantes, que prácticamente se retiro después de este encuentro.

En la Copa del 2007 el Caracas FC venció en los dos encuentros al River Plate eliminándolo de la Libertadores de ese año. En el Monumental de River en el partido de ida lo vencierons un gol por cero. El encuentro de vuelta se jugó el Caracas FC en el estadio General Santander de Cúcuta y cayó con un contundente tres por uno que significo a la postre la caída de Pasarella y la consagración internacional de Noel Sanvicente.

En la actual edición del 2008, Mineros de Guayana en el encuentro de vuelta de la fase eliminatoria venció dos por uno a Arsenal de Sarandi, Campeón de la Copa Suramericana y la Recopa. La pasada semana el Caracas FC sumó su tercer triunfo y la quinta victoria de nuestros clubes ante San Lorenzo con pizarra de dos por cero.

Llegamos a cinco empates...
En el 2004 se presentó en San Cristóbal ante el Deportivo Táchira River Plate y empató a cero goles en el inicio de la Copa. En el partido de vuelta todos daban por descontado que ganarían el encuentro y finalizó con un angustioso empate a dos goles y pidiendo la hora. El técnico fue Leonardo Astrada por River y César Farias por Táchira.

Ese mismo año, UA Maracaibo en su estreno de Libertadores se enfrentó a Vélez Sarfield y en el estadio José Amalfitani empató a un gol, por un desafortunado autogol de Carlos García en el minuto 90.

En el 2005 el Caracas FC se enfrentó a Banfield que debutaba en la Libertadores, en el Brígido Iriarte y empataron a un gol. Este miercoles el UAM sumó su segundo empate copero y el quinto de nuestros clubes, ante el todo poderoso Boca, a un gol por lado.

Dos derrotas...
Sólo dos victorias han logrado los clubes argentinos sobre los venezolanos. en el 2005, Banfield sobre el Caracas FC en Buenos Aires, con marcador de tres por uno y el Arsenal de Sarandi hace unas semanas atrás sobre Mineros de dos goles por uno.

Resumen favorable…

De doce partidos disputados del 2004 hasta el miércoles por la noche, los equipos venezolanos han ganado cinco veces, tres de esas victorias corresponden al Caracas FC con Chita Sanvicente como técnico, han empatado en cinco oportunidades y sólo se han perdido dos encuentros.

Se han marcado 18 goles a favor y se han recibido 14, lo cual resulta también a favor de los clubes nuestros en Copa Libertadores, aunque aún en el sur no lo crean…