Time for yet another "Mass Shooting" thread

Not really a joke. Somebody's gotta cook, clean, shovel hog manure, and pluck chickens, and there aren't many Americans eager for those tasks.

 

For sure, Immigrants have always done the jobs that Americans feel are beneath them. Many Americans prefer to bitch and blame the system than plucking chickens.

I would be one of them, shit I don't want to do many of the jobs my dad and mom had to do to survive and take care of us.

 

It was absolutely a joke. White Christian America thinks it can survive doing these things themselves. And they're probably right- most of 'em aren't a good two generations removed from beating their clothes on a rock.

 

Nah, they think your people will do it. No Mexicans, black sharecroppers ... life as it's meant to be.

 

Something that gets overlooked is that this hiring poor immigrants to do menial work you thing isn't uniquely American or uniquely a late 20th-early 21st century thing.

It's a worldwide phenomenon and has probably been around since modern capitalism has existed. I mean, in Latin America there was a trend of having a live-in nanny that migrated from the rural areas into the city. We had one in Peru and while both my parents were professionals, we weren't anywhere close to upper-middle class and still lived in the 'hood. (Upward mobility takes a few generations in developing countries and my parents were the first generation to "move up")

But there's this idea that poor people moving into urban areas to do grunt work was invented by Mexicans in 1970 when they started coming into the US.

 

You guys should watch Rome. It’s very reminiscent of my childhood and I grew up in Colombia (not Mexico) but the country indigenous girl serving as live-in maid for the mid-class white-ish family was a recurrent occurrence among most of my family and our acquaintances. From what I’ve read, it did happen in other Latin American countries too.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/lolas-story/524490/
This is a great piece on nannies and slave.


On the country person/live in nanny front.
I saw it here in the US with Ghanaians bringing over less educated people of their own tribe from back home to be nannies.

 

Some kept them their whole lives

Her name was Eudocia Tomas Pulido. We called her Lola. She was 4 foot 11, with mocha-brown skin and almond eyes that I can still see looking into mine—my first memory. She was 18 years old when my grandfather gave her to my mother as a gift, and when my family moved to the United States, we brought her with us. No other word but slave encompassed the life she lived. Her days began before everyone else woke and ended after we went to bed. She prepared three meals a day, cleaned the house, waited on my parents, and took care of my four siblings and me. My parents never paid her, and they scolded her constantly. She wasn’t kept in leg irons, but she might as well have been. So many nights, on my way to the bathroom, I’d spot her sleeping in a corner, slumped against a mound of laundry, her fingers clutching a garment she was in the middle of folding.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/lolas-story/524490/

 

Why do you have me on ignore you Jersey Trash!!
The post just before his!!

Great minds, fools, etc!

 

Rome?

Who was Atia of the Julii in your household?
Played by the gorgeous Polly Walker, of course.

Although my favorite character was Titus Pollo.

 

Sorry, I meant to write "Roma" but autocorrect made it Rome...

 

Oh, I know, and I should have put or something on my post.

However, any time I can bring up one of the 5 greatest short run series of all time, I will.

Rome was just great.

Roma, I have yet to watch.

 

In Hong Kong they at least get Sundays off.

That is about 550 USD per month.

http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20161109-a-sunday-ritual-for-300000-women

 

Someone had to replace slaves that did that work before.

 

Nah, only the very rich had slaves. Those that owned plantations and needed labor to do the farmwork.

Maids and nannies are far, far more widespread. Even the working classes have some.

 

Actually it was surprisingly common for small farmers in Mississippi at least, to have at least one, maybe two. I think Alabama and North Louisiana and the cotton growing parts of Texas too.

In fact, that was a major element in the timing of the emancipation proclamation. When times got hard there as the blockade started to squeeze and they were cut off from the other side of the river, these people started turning their slaves out because they could no longer feed them. Having no place else to go, they mobbed the Union Army camps And the camps couldn't just let them starve, but couldn't legally give them jobs either, despite the extreme need for woodcutters, teamsters, nurses, soldiers-- and field hands to get the enormous captured acreage of cotton harvested-- because they were legally property, not people.

So Grant and Sherman and Thomas and Porter and Farragut were clamoring at Lincoln to find a legal solution so they could employ and enlist these people, pay them and then charge them for their food and in some cases lodging and cut the Gordian accounting knot that was paralyzing the whole war effort.

So Lincoln solved the problem in the simplest way... and for the rest of the war the wood that fueled the steamboats and ships and trains, the cotton that returned in bulk to the Northern mills, the wagonloads of food and supplies that were hauled to and from the front. were largely the products of ex-slaves, who drew wages for their efforts...

 

Correct! Good info though, @taosjohn

In Peru at least, slaves worked the huge plantations outside the Lima area. Maybe it was a bit different in Brazil and Cuba where the slave population was higher.

 

Were those black slaves or native? Brazil's were black or at least included blacks, but at least initially weren't those of the Spanish Andes natives?

 

They were black.

Enslaving natives was banned early on in the colonial period. There's a whole bunch of speculation as to why.