Time for yet another "Mass Shooting" thread

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  1. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    No damn way Take it Easy is country, in my book. Don't know about those other songs.

    I can see why Auria is confused, if the white boys can't sort it out among themselves. Let's just call it all pickup-truck music and be done with it.
     
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  2. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    It might be my privilege speaking, but I think we're better native informants on issues other than music.
     
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  3. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    You've wasted too much of your life on this. ;)

    :(
     
  4. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Hey, it paid the rent.
     
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  5. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Really, they just suck
     
  6. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Well, there is that,,,
     
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  7. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I skimmed the police communication up to the entrance into the room. There was at least one guy they saw who they were concerned about on the surface streets. I also know that from active shooter drills in school, the police say that the only info they are trusting is communication with other police on the ground/at the scene.
     
  8. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    At this point I’d still take the timelines with a grain of salt. In terms of why locating and engaging the shooter, well that’s a little more complex.

    Aside from one SWAT officer, the team that entered the shooters room were all patrol officers so aside from being unfamiliar with one another, the odds are that aside from one day of training they really had no practical experience with breaching and entering. Much more goes into a breach than kicking in a door with guns blazing. If you’d like more detail, just ask.

    The other factor in what may have taken so long is the need to safely evacuate other guest in the immediate vicinity as well as getting a gauge of what they are actually about to encounter.
     
  9. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    It took the agencies 9 months to do an internal audit of the mass shooting at Ft. Lauderdale airport and to release to the public. And that was much smaller scale than Vegas. There are hours of radio communication to listen to, CCTV recordings to view, officer reports to read, witnesses to interview etc ... And all of this happening in a very hectic situation with hundreds of people being killed and injured. It's easy for us in retrospect to think of this as a simple linear event ... one shooter, one hotel room. But as it's happening, it's natural to assume that it's a more elaborate attack with multiple shooters, maybe bombs and other saboteurs mixed into the hectic crowd.

    The more officers and agencies respond to the scene, the more chaotic it's going to be. You can train these guys, but at the end of the day you'll never reach a level where each response will be perfect. Especially if the attackers are well prepared, like this shooter was.
     
  10. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah. The "and" is just perfect.
     
  11. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Take It Easy" they got from Jackson Browne and "Train Leaves Here This Mornin'" really came from Gene Clark. They borrowed their country.

    "Ol' 55" is from Tom Waits. Just because a performance has a pedal steel in it doesn't make it country. :)
     
  12. crazypete13

    crazypete13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Why am I not surprised a mass shooting at a country music concert devolves into what the Eagles are.

    I know what they aren't though - Death Metal.
     
  13. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    What should surprise you is if a thread about the Eagles devolves into a discussion about a mass shooting.
     
  14. crazypete13

    crazypete13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    What surprises me is the (now obvious) link between country music and mass shootings. Silly me thinking heavy metal was to blame.
     
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  15. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Maybe this is how it ends?

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/11/us/la...N101117las-vegas-shooting-lawsuit0311PMVODtop

    (CNN)A California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

    The claims against MGM Resorts International, which owns both Mandalay Bay and the concert venue that hosted the festival, raise more questions about a timeline that has changed numerous times -- and, according to Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, could change again. The suit also questions why hotel staff didn't notice gunman Stephen Paddock's behavior in several instances.

    Specifically, the lawsuit accuses MGM, of failing to respond in a timely manner to the "shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus Campos, who had gone to the 32nd floor to check on an alert from another guest room and who was shot six minutes prior to" the massacre beginning.

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  16. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Someone thinks they are entitled to compensation because they were randomly shot? Obviously someone from California, not one of the confederate states.
     
  17. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I'm inclined to side with the Confederates on this one.
     
  18. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Me, too. How is it the fault of the hotel or the concert promoter? You could sue the gun manufacturers, I guess, but good luck with that.
     
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  19. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    You're telling me if Sam "Ace" Rothstein was running the hotel/casino that Paddock would have gotten away with this?
     
  20. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Interesting proposal. The tricky part is to get enough legislators behind it.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ould_protect_americans_lives_and_liberty.html

    The Second Amendment uses the word arms, plural. There is also compelling 14th Amendment scholarship on the Reconstruction-era history of newly freed slaves, who used guns to defend themselves against racist marauders. But here in 2017, how many firearms does the average American need to competently defend her residence? For whom would, say, a 10-shot semi-automatic pistol and a six-round 12-gauge pump action shotgun not suffice for home defense?

    Let me put that another way: Why shouldn’t we require someone who wants to own more than two firearms, and who isn’t legally in the gun business, to file an application? Send some paperwork to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives; submit fingerprints and a photo; and send in a $200 fee along with the make, model, and number of additional weapons you’d like to purchase (and eventually their serial numbers). You would agree to undergo a thorough criminal, domestic violence, and mental health background check, knowing that if a permit to purchase additional firearms were granted, such a background check would be performed every six months (to ensure the applicant hadn’t fallen into a prohibited category of gun owner). Finally, and most important, the reason for requesting additional firearms would be stated on the application.

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    Under such a two-guns-per-person law, would anyone be prevented from owning a firearm to defend themselves in their home? Clearly not. Whether or not you agree with this idea, it’s plainly correct that neither the Second Amendment nor any other part of the Constitution stands in the way of policy proposals like this one. There are countless other ideas already in circulation for reducing the horrific toll that gunfire takes on America. What’s lacking is a constant, thunderous groundswell of public demand for these and other strong regulatory steps.

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  21. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Once again, my side of the political spectrum makes a gun control proposal because well... we have to dim something!!!!

    If the left wants to die on a gun control hill... I wish they would choose a hill worth dying on.

    If you really want to make a difference and address gun crime and violence...propose regulating the ever living ******** out of hand guns.

    Address that...and you're going to actually make a difference
     
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  22. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    That ain't going to happen until a handgun attack makes national news. The voters don't want to hear about gun legislation unless it immediately follows a tragedy, and addresses a feature of that tragedy.

    So Democrats have become ambulance chasers. What else to do under the circumstances?
     
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  23. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Use one of these tragedies as a catalyst to actually begin discussion on the real problem with firearms. Hell...it's not hard. The right is opens the door every damn time a mass shooting with a semi auto rifle happens. "Banning semi autos won't make a difference to gun crime...as many people were killed in Chicago last week than were killed in Vegas (insert other location)."

    Answer: "you know what...you're right. Lets talk about that."
     
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  24. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    They don't want to hear about it even then. They don't want to stop it-- they just want it to stop.

    Or maybe just slow down.

    Or pick darker victims, maybe.

    Or just get replaced on the front pages with photo spreads about bikini models...
     
  25. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Sure, I'm game. My guess is that the Democrats don't bother because that approach has failed spectacularly in the past, but it can't hurt to give it a try.
     

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