Thomas Müller

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Kirsten19, Sep 19, 2009.

  1. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    I think Thomas Müller deserves his own thread as much as the "ex-wonderkids" such as Podolski, Mario Gomez, Marin, Oezil and Toni Kroos.

    I think its an achievement that a youngster who joined BM at the age of 10, played for the D-Junior team can eventually establish himself as a starter in the first team n he outperform some of the bigger names and millions dollar purchase, given the high failing rate of most Bayern Munich's products.

    The kid is currently used as a utility man in the squad. That's fine as long as he is given enough match practice. But in the long run, i think it is important for him to hav consistent playing time at his best position on the pitch. That will be better for his development. If he is played at RW, AM and SS at different times, it will be difficult for him to get into the rhythm, and this cna be a potnetial obstable of his development in posititoning and football IQ.

    I personally think his best position is second forward/supporting striker, where legends such as Bergkamp, Roberto Baggio, Del Piero and Raul played. He has the clinical finishing, PERFECT off-the-ball movement, positioining and composure. It will be a waste to play him on the flanks.

    I do not think he has the required pace n technique to be a top winger (though he isn't slow or technically weak at all). Not to mention we already have Ribery and Robben in the roster.

    However, he is physcially not strong enough for the targetman spot. When u look at some of the top targetman in the world, like Drogba, Ibrahimovic and Torres, they aren't easy to fall down when the opponents bump them (diving is another issue). Thomas Müller needs to gain some lb anyway

    Thats why i think at second forward, he'll be the most effective. BTW, his calmness, creativity and clinical finishing kind of remind me one of the best supporting forwards of all time, Dennis Bergkamp.

    We'll see how the kid develops. But he is already a better player than Kroos imo
     
  2. Psychosis hsv

    Psychosis hsv Member

    Mar 30, 2006
    Club:
    FC Köln
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    It will be a biog mistake if they fail to call Mueller to the national team its not that a 20 year old player is younger and immature, a younger player fight more than an older player becasue he has yet to gain losers mentality and has yet to give up in life. the likes of beckenbauer, the real mueller and owen made their debut for their national teams when they were 20 or younger. by 2014 Mueller will be 24 an age too old to challenge for the all time world cup top scorer.... the record this guy is capable of breaking if not denied by loew
     
  3. Icke

    Icke Member

    Mar 15, 2009
    Kölle, Germany
    Club:
    FC Köln
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What are you talking about?:confused: Müller will never break any goal-records, because he is not the typical goal machine. And of course its way to early to call him up for the National Team. U-21 is enough in the moment. When he plays like this for half a year, we can talk again.
     
  4. Psychosis hsv

    Psychosis hsv Member

    Mar 30, 2006
    Club:
    FC Köln
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    if he plays in the 2010, 2014 and 2018 world cups he will break Ronaldo world cup record. why cant he?
     
  5. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    I think Mueller is more of a Dennis Bergkamp/Roberto Baggio type second forward. These players won't be the "record-breaking" goalscorer.

    we currently have 5 quality forwards in the national pool, the rest are pretty average (e.g. Cacau, Kuranyi, Hunt, Schlaudraff, Asamoah and Hanke). The competition is moderate, it all depends on how many strikers Loew wants to take. if 4, I think they're gonna be Klose, Podolski, M.Gomez and Kiessling; if 5, and any of the mentioned strikers is injured, i think Thomas Mueller has a chance to be a "surprised call-up" like Odonkor was.

    After Klose, Podolski, Gomez, Kiessling and Helmes, the rest are terrible options. Don't think Thomas Mueller can be worse at least he is the youngest and very versatile which may be important in a tournament.

    Andre Schurrle is also playing at a very very high level. Not quite as high profile as BM's Mueller, but he is quietly doing his job and keep impressing. Won't be a Mainz player for too long
     
  6. Icke

    Icke Member

    Mar 15, 2009
    Kölle, Germany
    Club:
    FC Köln
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Crazy, what a couple of good games of a youngster can do to some people. Yes, he is talented. But not that talented;) And as I said, he is not the typical "clinical" striker. He will not break any records.
     
  7. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    mueller sucks!!!!!!!














    kroos rox!!!!!
    ;)
     
  8. ForeverRed

    ForeverRed Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    This thread is an exact parody of the BS German NT thread, lol.
     
  9. smithfan

    smithfan Member+

    Aug 14, 2005
    Waimoana
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    don't forget he's of pure German blood!!!!








    :D
     
  10. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
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    must spread....... :D
     
  11. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Re: Team News XI 09/10

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKLYFhIw2Go"]YouTube - Thomas Müller - FC Bayern München[/ame]
     
  12. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Re: Team News XI 09/10

    I think his best position is at second forward/supporting forward. The position where Dennis Bergkamp, Roberto Baggio n Raul played.

    on both flanks, his killer instinct, GREAT off-the-ball movement n positioing in front of goal will be wasted. His kid is really a calm yet clinical finisher. His technique n pace is ok, but not quite enough to be a top winger. Not to mention there're Ribery n Robben ahead of him

    But as a targetman, he is physically too weak. When u look at some of the top targetmen in Europe, Drogba, Ibrahimovic, Fernando Torres n Benzema.......they won't fall down that easily when the opponent bump them. Mueller needs to gain some lb anyway.

    at second striker, that won't demand too much pace. And he can utilize his great off-the-ball, positioning and finishing. That will be better.
     
  13. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Re: Team News XI 09/10

    Dude you really need to stop reposting the same ish in multiple threads...
     
  14. Hendrik

    Hendrik Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
    Deutschland
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Re: Team News XI 09/10

    I moved his posts to the appropiate thread.
     
  15. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Re: Team News XI 09/10

    My appologies Kirsten. Guess I jumped the gun there. :eek:
     
  16. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    None of your busines
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Not really, I have seen that same post in like 3 other topics. :S
     
  17. deleted

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    Aug 18, 2006
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    Yeah, it's sayin something that we didnt think the mod was actually doin what he's supposed to do!!
     
  18. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Re: Team News XI 09/10

    Since when was Raul a supporting striker? :confused:
     
  19. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Re: Team News XI 09/10


    Pretty much most of his career..............

    He is quite versatile, we've seen him at LM, AM, SS or CF. But his best position, just like Bergkamp n Baggio's, is at second forward.

    Right now, he is used slightly behind Benzema in Real MAdrid. U need a targetman beside him like Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Huntelaar, Morientes........ because Raul isn't that much of an aerial threat. He is a good finisher but with all his skill set, he likes to do the set-up play for the targetman in front of him.

    Bergkamp had similar experience when he played for Arsenal. Henry was the targetman and Dennis Bergkamp provided chances for Henry by using his technique n passes to create space

    Bear in mind that playing at supporting/second forward doesn't mean he can't score. Bergkamp, Roberto Baggio or even Del Piero and Teddy Sheringham for example, were decent scorers anyway

    Not sure if this "supporting forward" role is obselete though. And whether or not it can be applied in Germany n Bayern Munich's formation will be another question.
     
  20. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    None of your busines
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Re: Team News XI 09/10

    Nahh, he used to play SS actually for quite a bit during his career. He is in a sense like Klose, can play both positions as he has the attributes of a SS along with great finishing. He played SS behind Ruud and Ronaldo in particular from what I remember, though he also played as the main striker in Madrid.
     
  21. Dage

    Dage Member+

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  22. ForeverRed

    ForeverRed Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Mueller yes but Badstuber? I don't think so.
     
  23. Dage

    Dage Member+

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Löw zur tz: "Unser Kader für die WM steht jetzt natürlich noch nicht fest. Müller und Badstuber haben in den vergangenen Wochen bei Bayern überzeugt. Es kann noch viel passieren."
    Erst im Mai 2010 wolle der Bundestrainer sich entscheiden. Bis dahin habe jeder die Chance, sich mit guten Leistungen über einen längeren Zeitraum zu empfehlen. "Man sieht jetzt bei den Torhütern, wie schnell auch mit Verletzungen immer etwas passieren kann", erklärt Löw.
     
  24. deleted

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    Aug 18, 2006
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    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Shows who's been watching bayern play this season. lol
     
  25. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    I thought Loew was quite interested in bringing in Jerome Boateng?

    J.Boateng is better than Badstuber atm, and i think he is capable to be a starter for our NT at CB. A partnership of Mertesacker n Boateng should be pretty solid, at least better than Merte+Tasci or Merte+Westermann

    Thomas Mueller's chance all depends on the form of the "top 5" (Klose, Kiessling, Helmes, Podolski and Gomez) Helmes is still injured, and other options such as Cacau(never think he's a good NT material), Kuranyi (Will Loew accept his apology?), A.Hunt(decent prospect but very poor finishing), Schlaudraff(good footballer but very injury prone), Asamoah(terrible choice) and Hanke(still injured but not good enough anyway) should be behind Thomas Mueller in the pecking order. The chance is there coz Loew will most likely have 5 strikers in his WC squad (but 3 from Bayern Munich?)/

    U never know though, he praised Kiessling before the last WCQ match, but didn't nominate him at the end.
     

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