The World Cup Hooligans Thread Part II [R]

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by usscouse, Jul 6, 2018.

  1. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
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    As Hobo will point out, I could be wrong here because I haven't read the exact VAR rules-book. But I was under the impression that VAR isnot used for assessing the validity of free-kick foul calls by the referee? So, the Griezman foul call wasn't related to anything VAR-like.

    However, I agree that the penalty call VAR issue was both a pain to watch and a bigger pain to Croatia.

    Q. - Is there a particular VAR rule for penalty area handball (as opposed to penalty area wrestle fouls such as the glaring one in the Serbia-Swiss game?
    I thought that VAR (for a penalty call) only came into effect if the referee needed a review of his own decision because he was uncertain - but in this case (i think) the referee didn't make a decision because it was something he hadn't seen. The players made a big deal and then maybe he got a word from his mike that there was a possible hand-ball.... But why is he getting a word form his mike about a call he did not make that is not violent conduct?
    what exactly happened? It really looked to me like he did not initially see any handball contact at all, so it wasn't a matter of his then reviewing it to see if it could be definitely deemed unintentional. I could be wrong, but that's how it looked to me.... like he had no clue until the French players started remonstrating.
     
  2. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    dunno about others, but I didn't support any team at this WC so I had nothing to "separate". but I really dislike a number of the players from the Prem, so that helped me lean towards one team vs another.
     
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  3. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
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    True - and moreso - how many like Loivgren will have played in three in 13 months....
    ;)
     
  4. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
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    I know it’s not universally accepted but he used his hand to deflect the ball from its trajectory. As Ken said, I’ve seen less obvious hanballs given against us. And, anyhow, the referees have been giving these as handball all tournament long.
     
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  5. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

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    I agree. It was a definite possible call....
     
  6. burning247

    burning247 Member+

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    Sep 16, 2000
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    That's kind of my point though. You don't like them because they're Liverpool's rivals in the league but this is a different planet. At least that's my opinion. I know we're all humans and it's just natural. I've struggled with it in the past myself.
     
  7. SamScouse

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    not exactly -- eg Hazard plays for Chelsea, but I have no negative feelings about him (a v good player actually). but his Belgium mate Fellaini is a totally different proposition. I effing hate him, for reasons that have a lot more to do with him being a prick than being a Manc. ergo I tend to want his national team to lose while he's playing.
     
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  8. CB-West

    CB-West Member+

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    That's a tough one...I don't care for Hazard - because he plays for Chel$ki - but also because when everyone was drooling over him a couple years ago when he won POY, I saw him as a diving cheat...falling over every time anyone touched him (especially if there was a lead in the game...)

    I still see him that way, and still don't care for him (or Fellaini for that matter)...in spite of that...I was hoping for a Belgium - Croatia final...just because I wanted a new WC winner...
     
  9. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

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    Hazard seems an equally astute wanker alongside Fellaini....... the rest of the belgians I like
     
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  10. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    no, the ball hit his hand. nobody's reflexes are that fast.
     
  11. newterp

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    Jun 6, 2007
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    I’m on the side of the ball hitting his hand after the French player missed heading it. It was coming in too fast to deliberately do anything.

    However his hand was also away from his body which is why I think they gave it.
     
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  12. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    the only way to resolve these debates is to make it simpler --

    if the ball hits a defender's arm in the box, it's a pen, period. doesn't matter how fast the ball moved, how he or others positioned himself, whether his arm moved ... whatever. it's a pen. every time.

    now that's not gonna happen, so these debates will last forever.

    god bless VAR. :rolleyes:
     
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  13. burning247

    burning247 Member+

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    Yeah, as usual the proverbial blood is on FIFA's hands with this one. If they just made a blanket statement that said "if your hand/arm didn't exist, would the original trajectory of the ball have been different? If the answer is yes, then hand ball. End of," we wouldn't have these stupid debates across the world. Instead they want to leave it ambiguous for some damn reason.
     
  14. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
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  15. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    wot -- no Arry Kane? :)

    good to see Lovren getting the recognition there.

    Young???? gimme strength .... :rolleyes:

    Neymar??? LOL .....
     
  16. StiltonFC

    StiltonFC He said to only look up -- Guster

    Mar 18, 2007
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    it's in his contract...
     
  17. imasyko

    imasyko Member+

    May 16, 2002
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    Paulinho and not DeBruyne? Balderdash!
     
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  18. Suss

    Suss Moderator
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    Aug 11, 2003
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    Who picked that team? Ashley Young and Trippier as the fullbacks in a back 4. They played as wingbacks which is more of a midfielder and an easy position to play.

    Neymar and Paulinho? Coutinho and Casemiero were more deserving from their own team.

    I’m glad Lovren made it. It’s a big season for him. He’s a Champions League and World Cup finalist, he is self proclaimed as one of the best in the world, and now he’s in the team of the World Cup. It is set up perfectly for him to have a great season. He just has to perform on a consistent basis.
     
  19. burning247

    burning247 Member+

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  20. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    No. It hit him and dropped so he pushed it out with his hand. Good call.
     
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  21. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    LOL
     
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  22. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    You said it.
     
  23. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
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  24. imasyko

    imasyko Member+

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    addition by subtraction?
     

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