The US Supreme Court Thread

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  1. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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  2. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
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    Or.. Hear me out here.. How about y'all take this discussion to the MLS boards? ;)
     
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  3. VFish

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  4. VFish

    VFish Member+

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    Where's the fun in that?
     
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  5. soccernutter

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    Aug 22, 2001
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    I have a Panamanian friend. To say she was through the roof with excitement was a bit of an understatement. It was actually great since she suffered 4 years previous.
     
  6. xtomx

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    Thank you.
     
  7. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
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    Question for our legal scholars

    Today Trump indicates he wanted to end birthright citizenship via executive order.

    Obviously unconstitutional.

    If he issues it anyway...it would go to the Supreme Court.

    If 5 justices issue an opinion that states”we think he should be able to do this. And now he can. Because scoreboard!”

    Is there anything that can be done?
     
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  8. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
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    Citizenship is a set of rights not some declared status. 1st one of his departments would have to deny a citizen something they are entitled to like a passport or some benefits. Then the administration would be taken to district court.
     
  9. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    I get that.

    But when (if) it went all the way to the Supreme Court....could they just say scoreboard?
     
  10. El Naranja

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    I dont see any reason why not but I'm no legal scholar.
     
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  11. argentine soccer fan

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    That reminds me of the time at our neighborhood club in Buenos Aires, when our rugby team beat our soccer team in a soccer scrimmage. Actually, some rugby strategies work very well in soccer.
     
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  12. Auriaprottu

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    Lol... you gave that post more attention than it deserved... We certainly played flat Sunday. And we were trailing the alleged worst team (after Sunday, that might be us) in the league 3-1 a few weeks ago before tying our laces.
     
  13. Smurfquake

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    Aug 8, 2000
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    I believe the answer is yes, but also not a legal scholar. There would be a shit-ton of wailing and gnashing of teeth. It would be violating the "norms" that have been in place for centuries - ignoring precedent and established case law, and usually they try to come up with some basic reasoning when they write the decision - they probably could just write "scoreboard, bitches" as the decision, further violating norms - but the process so far has been for the other two branches to respect the supreme court's decisions.

    In any case, this administration has violated norms left and right since coming in to office, and people have wailed and gnashed their teeth, but they still seem to keep on violating norms.
     
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  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    The short answer is yes. The longer answer is that 200+ years ago the SC took upon itself the power to make such decisions and everyone else went along. Such a ruling would be chaos. It’s like asking, couldnt Trump as C in C order the Army to arrest all the Democrats in Congress.
     
  15. xtomx

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    Sep 6, 2001
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    Good god, man, don't give the orange ignoramus any ideas!
     
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  16. VFish

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    I realize you don't go to the United games, but do you even watch them on TV? If you want to go to a game PM me.
     
  17. El Naranja

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    I believe the term for this hypothetical is 'Constitutional Crisis'
     
  18. dapip

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    That's the thing; As far-fetched and absurd as those ideas sound to us, they have slowly - well, I mean gradually, become possible, mainly because the Republican Congress has not fulfilled their duties as a counterbalance to the Executive Branch.

    IOW, the Trump administration keeps pushing wilder and wilder policies that were supposed to be curtailed by Congress, but they actually become government actions, because the same congress act as if they either didn't have any oversight power, or as if the proposals were not unconstitutional.

    So if the GOP keeps control of congress next week, it might be very well possible for Trump to make changes to the way citizenship is interpreted and to those changes to actually take place. And even if the new policy was fought at every stage, we could eventually see a case taken to the Supreme Court, where the conservative majority would side with Trump.
     
  19. dapip

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    The last two years have been an ongoing constitutional crisis....
     
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  20. yossarian

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    Jun 16, 1999
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    Unfortunately, yes. Although in theory, Congress could then remedy that.
     
  21. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    "In theory."
     
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  22. yossarian

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    Jun 16, 1999
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    Yes, that caveat was very much intentional. I suppose I could have italicized.
     
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  23. chaski

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    Mar 20, 2000
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    Actually, the term for this hypothetical is "Abracadabra."

    This is just another Steve "The Joker" Miller b.s. immigration proposal -- conveniently leaked to Axios so that they could "surprise" POTUS with a question about it in the interview, and intended to rev up the xenophobe base for the midterms.

    Nobody even knows what the "executive order" would say -- and there is no propsed language (except in Miller's head) because any attorney in the WH Counsel office with a degree from an accredited law school would tell them the whole idea is nonsense.
     
  24. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
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    Now I know who the "some people say" actually was that Trump was referring to when stating that Congress could change who is a citizen.
     
  25. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Nobody cares enough there.
     
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