Review: The U15, U16, U17, U18, U19, PT And Young Orange Team - Thread

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by DRB300, May 4, 2012.

  1. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Interesting with Serhuis. He's lost his starting position on Jong Ajax to the Brazilian youth Danilo Periera who was on the bench for the cup match on Wednesday.
     
  2. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Lots of new and unfamiliar faces in U21 as the team is in re-building mode. Kluivert must feel like man among boys. Hoping that Malacia will make strong impression, Koeman can use more options at LB in the Senior team. I also like Koopmeiners... he should boss the midfield.

    Goalkeepers: Jan Hoekstra (FC Groningen), Justin Bijow (Feyenoord), Maarten Paes (Heerenveen)

    Defenders: Nathangelo Markelo (Everton), Deyovaisio Zeefuik (FC Groningen), Armando Obispo (PSV), Sheral Floranus (Heerenveen), Perr Schuurs (Ajax), Tyrell Malacia (Feyenoord), Rick van Drongelen (Hamburg)

    Midfielders; Dani de Wit (Ajax), Deroy Duarte (Sparta Rotterdam), Ferdi Kadioglu (Fenerbahce), Teun Koopmeiners (AZ)

    Attackers: Kaj Sierhuis (Ajax), Tahith Chong (Manchester United), Jay-Roy Grot (VVV-Venlo), Justin Kluivert (Roma), Donyell Malen (PSV)
     
  3. Frysk Bloed

    Frysk Bloed Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Hmm...I wonder if this would be a good time to revisit our top prospects list? I have a small excel file that just lists the best from each birthyear ATM. I would love to get some more in depth information:

    1997: Frenkie de Jong, Donny van de Beek, Steven Bergwijn, Calvin Verdonk, Sam Lammers, Arnaut Groeneveld
    1998: Carel Eiting, Timothy Fosu-Mensah, Rick van Drongelen, Teun Koopmeiners, Kaj Sierhuis, Javairo Dilrosun, Sam van Huffel
    1999: Justin Kluivert, Mathijs de Ligt, Ferdi Kadioglu, Perr Schuurs, Noa Lang, Joel Piroe, Donyell Malen, Che Nunnely, Bobby Adekanye, Tahith Chong, Armando Obispo
    2000: Kik Pierie, Delano Ladan, Achraf el Bouchataoui, Zakaria Aboukhlal, Ludovit Reis, Mitchel Bakker, Lutsharel Geertruida, Orkun Kokcu, Juan Familia Castillo, Thomas Buitink
    2001: Chieck Toure, Daishawn Redan, Myron Boadu, Kenzo Goudmijn, Wouter Burger, Liam van Gelderen, Nigel Thomas, Enric Llansana, Sepp van den Berg
    2002: Jayden Braaf, Ryan Gravenberch, Brian Brobbey
    2003: Xavi Simons, Naci Unuvar
     
  4. I thought he chose Spain?
     
  5. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I couldnt help notice sam van huffel of ADO Den Hag in the mix. is this guy just floating or he really is a talent. he went for the trial at Leicester city but only to find him self back at the parent club playing for the 21s
     
  6. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    What about the Timber twins for 2001?
     
  7. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    I've watched (maybe) three Feyenoord games this season... so obviously my visibility is quite poor here. I didn't remember Verdonk made any good impression. Is he any good? I actually like Tyrell Malacia (b. 1999) - seems that he might have a higher upside. A modern full back with high-octane forward runs and decent crosses. Quite physical and strong too for his age from what I could tell. Suspicious defending for the time being until he's getting more flying time. A poor man's Dumfries on left side?
     
  8. https://www.ed.nl/psv/knvb-maakt-we...j-oranje-onder-18-in-de-basis-staat~a979f3f4/
    KNVB maakt werk van Omar Rekik, die bij Oranje onder 18 in de basis staat


    Omar Rekik start donderdagavond in de basis bij Oranje onder 18, dat in een toernooi tegen Engeland onder 18 speelt. Hij begint in dat duel in de basis.



    Rik Elfrink 15-11-18, 18:21 Laatste update: 19:08
    De voormalig jeugdspeler van onder meer PSV kwam al uit voor jong Tunesië en is door zijn goede prestaties bij Hertha BSC op de radar gekomen in Zeist. De 16-jarige broer van Karim Rekik kwam nog niet eerder voor een vertegenwoordigend elftal van Oranje uit en ontwikkelt zich in Berlijn goed als centrale verdediger. Het talent trainde bij Hertha al mee met de A-selectie en werkt zijn duels af met het onder 19-team van de Duitsers
    .

    Mmm, another central defender.

    We need more of this:
    https://www.ed.nl/psv/cody-gakpo-in...onder-20-hattrick-voor-eindhovenaar~af6e6c99/
    Cody Gakpo in bloedvorm bij Oranje onder 20: hattrick voor Eindhovenaar


    Cody Gakpo heeft van zich doen spreken bij Oranje onder 20. De jeugdinternational van PSV loodste de beloften in een oefenduel met drie goals langs Zwitserland onder 20: 1-3.


    Rik Elfrink 15-11-18, 23:45 Laatste update: 23:51
     
  9. Frysk Bloed

    Frysk Bloed Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    When? He was playing Oranje still at least as early as May.
     
  10. PiTo

    PiTo New Member

    Feb 12, 2015
    Club:
    2 de Mayo
    Hello!


    I made a list of players from ’97 to ’02 that are in need of observation, so that’s my comment on them. I’d be glad for feedback and some proper discussion, you can make out of it another topic. At the top of every position there’s a player I personally consider as most talented out of this group. My notes:


    - ’02 is the strongest age-category I’ve seen in Dutch football in a while. Netherlands won U17 Championship last year, but this year team will be much, much stronger

    - I don’t think Netherlands has had similar depth in young core of players in past 15 years

    - probably I forgot about few players


    Strikers:


    - Joshua Zirkzee (’01) – yeah, I know that not having Daishawn Redan at the top is controversial, but I did it for two reasons. First, it’s barely impossible to get into first Chelsea team from its youth teams, while Zirkzee spent whole preseason with first team and now is on the training camp in Doha with Ribery, Lewandowski and co. Secondly, Zirkzee is really killing it since departure to Munich – he’s considered as one of 2-3 most talented of Bayern Youth Teams, and was a leader of this team during UEFA Youth League matches. And more than that – eye-test of him is seriously outstanding: tall, quick, great sense of positioning, versatile – looks like complete ‘9’ in my eyes.
    - Daishawn Redan (’01) – he’s great, but my question mark is more related to his path of career than his actual talent. I really hope he’ll be loan somewhere he can play in proper role.
    - Myron Boadu (’01) – he was considered for two-three years as the brightest product of ‘new’ AZ Academy and his beginning of a season was sensational: quick, nice technically, good finisher, so we can focus on him more after his comeback from injury in January
    - Brian Brobbey (’02) – I don’t know where was a last time when 16yo was scoring in Ajax U19 goals with goal-per-game frequency, but he has done it since beginning of a season. Basically he should play with Jong in this moment, because theres nothing he can get from playing in U19 team, what’s very impressive considering he’s only 16.
    - Nick Venema (’99) – yes, there are many examples of players scoring with nice frequency at Eredivisie level and not making it outside of Netherlands, but what’s striking me the most about Venema is that his quickness is a point of emphasis I would make that (in my opinion) makes him international talent, better than f.e. Viktor Janssen
    - Naoufal Bannis (’02) – he’s probably less-known, but he may be the best offensive talent from Feyenoord Academy in a while, there’s a chance he will have his own debut in senior team this year, I’ve read that without an injury he will be in training with first team right now

    Other players worthy of mentioning: Vente, Lammers, Piroe, Sierhuis (but I don’t think they’ll make it on international level)


    Wingers:

    - Steven Bergwijn (’97) – well, that’s obvious right now
    - Justin Kluivert (’99) – I have pretty ambivalent opinion about him: I’ve never considered him as top-top talent, yet I believe his early struggles in Rome are related to league’s difficulty, crazy Di Francesco’s rotations and his youth, so I believe he’ll finally make it and become great player
    - Tahith Chong (’99) – he was a candidate to be first Dutch young player to make it through after early departure to England, but after being chosen as the best Young United Player in 17/18, he had to wait for Jose Mourinho’s sack to get a chance to debut with a first team. I think he’s extremely talented, my best feature of him is his discipline on defense and versatility as a winger, I dream about him getting loaned to one or another Bundesliga team
    - Donyell Malen (’99) – I didn’t know where I should put him on this list, but I have to write that I am quite impressed about his development in recent months. I’ve always considered him as a player not good in finishing enough to play as forward, and not crafty enough to play as winger, yet he plays successfully as a ‘joker’ in both roles in PSV already. Next season, with potential Bergwijn and Lozano’s departures, he’ll be force to reckon with, and his stats/90 minutes are truly amazing even right now
    - Sontje Hansen (’02) – similarly to Bannis, he’s not as popular as other players here probably because of his age, but his current production in U19 and UEFA Youth League is great, he’s with Brobbey and Taylor player to get promotion to Jong Ajax soon, he’s better than Justin was in his age, I’m curious if he can catch Kluivert’s 17-18yo season where he get promoted in a year to Jong and then to first Ajax team – probably not, yet he’s still great talent to observe


    Others worthy mentioning: Lang, Toure, Azarkan, Van Bergen, Stengs (sorry, but his injury scares me a lot about his future), Gakpo, Summerville, Groeneveld, Dilrosun, Braaf, Aboukhlal


    Midfielders:


    - Frenkie De Jong (’97) – no need to elaborate here
    - Ryan Gravenberch (’02) – probably well-known already, I believe he’ll have De Ligt-like or Kluivert-like career, he’s THAT good, the youngest Ajax debutant and goalscorer ever, and regular Jong Ajax player as 16yo – wow!
    - Mohammed Ihattaren (’02) – he’s probably more of ‘10’ or a winger, but nonetheless he’s clearly the most talented PSV Youth player, it was sooo impressive that he was the best player on last UEFA Euro in my eyes as an under-ager. Professional debut this season – I think so
    - Danny Van de Beek (’97) – no need to elaborate here
    - Naci Unuvar (’03) – I made one exception and decided to put Unuvar (born in 2003) on my list, but I guess everyone aware of his hype knows why
    - Orkun Kokcu (’00) – he’s really amazing, I wasn’t suprised at all that in his Feyenoord’s debut he scored a goal and got an assist. I hope he won’t go to Paris or other big club, and take advantage of Feyenoord’s system
    - Wouter Burger (’01) – he had his professional debut in Trencin’s disaster, plays regularly in Jong Feyenoord and was the best midfielder last year on Euro, but I’m not as big fan as many people are, yet he can’t be overlooked with his combination of size and technique
    - Kenneth Taylor (’02) – for me, I like a comparison with Van de Beek, and not only because they’re both blond – left-footed, well-balanced, one of four best ’02 players in Ajax youth team
    - Carel Eiting (’98) – I know that he’s not rated that high by many people, but I think if he gets his chance next year, he can really take it far away


    Others worthy mentioning: Till, Vlap, Koopmeiners, Rosario, Ekkelenkamp, Reis, Kardioglu (?), Goudmijn, Q. Timber, Franken, Manuel Pherai, Proper, Llansana, el Bouchataoui


    Left and right backs:

    - Mitchell Baker (’00) – he’s clearly the most talented Dutch back right now, and I’m sure he’ll be regular Ajax left back soon
    - Tyrell Malacia (’99) – I know he’s regularly criticised and I’m not saying it isn’t just, but I still believe he can become good player eventually with some defensive improvements
    - Timothy Fosu-Mensah (’98) – he’s probably the biggest disappointment I have towards this group, he was heavily advertised and had nice beginning of his career in Manchester, but his loan to Fulham was a disaster. I believe he can become good player on international level, but with Dumfries killing it nobody should expect from him taking a spot in regular XI on regular basis
    - Liam Van Galderen (’01) – he was reaaaaally good at last Euro, so while I don’t know that much about him and the way this season he’s been playing, it’s impossible not to have him here as right-back alternative
    - Kik Pierie (’00) – I think he will be regular central back with his on-ball skills, but considering needs, if he makes it, he’ll be left back alternative on national level, and I really believe he can develop properly
    - Jurrien Timber (’01) – already with Jong Ajax matches as central back, but he’s clearly right-back in the making, I wonder if him or Dest become successor of Mazraoui on Ajax’s right back spot


    Central backs:

    - Matthijs de Ligt (’99) – well …
    - Ki-Jana Hoever (’02) – let’s put things straight – he wasn’t considered as elite talent in Ajax (but he was good), but he’s considered by Liverpool’s fans and coaches as elite after few months here, he’s probably the only one example of a player that developed thanks to departure to other country. He’s sensational, really, he looks like De Ligt-tier of talent out there, I talk to my friend and Liverpool’s fan and Ki-Jana gets as much hype as Alexander-Arnold in the past, and he’s one of the most promising right backs on Earth right now. Also a RB.
    - Perr Schuurs (’99) – I’m pretty sure he will be regular Ajax player next year after De Ligt’s transfer, and considering how well Ajax centre backs are recevied recently in Europe (Sanchez, De Ligt, even Wober), he can become very good player as well
    - Rick Van Drongelen (’98) – I won’t lie that I’ve seen any Bundesliga 2 game this year, but it seems Hamburg will advance to Bundesliga next year, with him as regular starting player
    - Sepp Van den Berg (’01) – he’s kind of curious case, because on one hand I consider him as overhyped only because of his early debut and regular playing in Zwolle, but on the other hand – boy, being regular professional player as 16yo says something about his potential


    Others worthy mentioning: Sandler, Obispo, Geertruida, Hoogma, Bogarde (captain of U17 team, but I need to see more from him, especially after his departure to Hoffenheim), Musampa


    Goalies:


    - Justin Bijlow (’98) – no need to elaborate here

    - Joey Koorevaar (’01) – sensational at the Euro

    - Kjell Scherpen (’00) – he’s really young, and in age of 18 regular Eredivise starter, his physicality is also very promising as for this position

    - Jesper Schendelaar (00) – I’ve heard he’s been good all season long, is there anyone with more sophisticated analysis?


    Sorry, it’s hard to elaborate more here.

    What I like the most is that finally Netherlands has core of players they can build senior national team on (De Ligt, Van Dijk, De Ligt, De Vrij, Dumfries, De Jong, Van de Beek, Bergwijn, Depay), but this new generation is really that good, so this team can be only better and better. Depth on ‘9’ position and in a midfield is truly amazing, and I don’t know if there was any point in history of Dutch football where potential on defense was as big as it’s right now.


    For me XI of the future is: Koorevaar – Bakker, De Ligt, Hoever, Timber – De Jong, Gravenberch, Kokcu – Kluivert, Ihattaren, Zirkzee, but I think in 2025 there will be still De Vrij, Van Dijk, maybe even Cilliesen, probably Depay.

    I really hope that one of these 9s can develop quickly, because that’s lacking point of NT right now.
     
  11. Welcome back @PiTo and thanks for the effort compiling that list.
    Hope to see you post regularly on those kids:thumbsup:
     
  12. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Kip Pirie had a nice game against PSV today but in the end his tired legs could not defend the quicker Donyell Malen who got the goal that let PSV draw even in the 95th minute.
     
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  13. Gabriel Guilarte

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Aug 28, 2018
    Whoever saw the Psv vs Hereenveen today, who is Jizz Hornkamp. Completely out of my radar and he was impossible to past today. Great defense at the right back position. Should we add him to our list?
     
  14. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Wouldn't surprise me if Pierie is a target transfer of PSV this Summer. He is a well-rounded defender, physically strong and has so much upside. He would be an instant upgrade over Schwaab and Viergiever, who are utterly useless. And PSV is running extremely thin on center defenders. Ajax probably won't be a motivated buyer... just purchased Magellan, and has Schuurs waiting on the wing.

    And Koeman needs to tie Pierie up soon for Oranje, before the USA is going ultra-aggressive (already monitoring and contacting).
     
  15. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    He is a make shift RB but is a primarily a striker. He has scored few goals coming of the bench but later had to slot in at RB after the injury to sherel floranus. Heerenveen were hit hard by financial crisis and had to sell some of their big names and also some player were released as free agent just to acomdate for the salary of other players and staff as well. After the January transfer window Jan Olde Riekerink had to resort to bench players and in Hornkamps case it had to be a make shift move since there was no backup for foranus. Even though there are just off the red zone ,they have a very young squad and have done well considering the 4-4 draw with Ajax and now 2-2 with PSV.

    Indeed it was a good game and I was hoping it will be a show down between Luuk and Lammers but both couldnt get into the game much. As far as Pierie is concerned im suripised why Obsipo is being preferred to him in the u21s. This is the second season for Pierie in eredivisie and Obsipo has mainly featured for jong PSV in eerste divise. Pierie has really stepped up this season given he was shifted to LB until the departure of Dave Bulthuis.

    Its also pleasing to see how van bommel is starting to rotate gakpo with Lozano and Ihattaren with Pereiro. Ihattaren made a good impact coming off the bench. You can getting the feeling Lozano will leave in the summer and I think van bommel is well preparing for that.

    Lastly there is a lot of hype about Bergwijn in the media. He has being linked to man United and some other prominent clubs but I dont think this guy will make it big. He is typical runner but his skills on the ball is limited. He missed a shitter from few yards out. Malen seems to have more skills on the ball and he showed this on the last muinute goal.this is where I rate him higher than bergwijn. Berjwijn looks dangerous when given space but in congested areas he looks out of ideas.
     
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  16. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Lozano was stretchered off a couple of weeks ago and I think suffered from a concussion. He's been subbed off at halftime twice now and I wonder if he is still having after effects. I think you are right that he will transfer this summer.

    Correct assessment of Bergwijn[/QUOTE]
     
  17. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Lozano has been in serious slum since winter break... partly because of lingering injuries, but also I am guessing he's been distracted with the transfer news. Credit to Van Bommel who had the balls to take him out at the half-time break. While the team was down 2 goals, I might add. What a statement!

    With another assist yesterday, Bergwijn is in a streak of 11 consecutive league matches with either a goal or an assist... that's quite a feat for only a third or fourth attacking option in PSV team. IMHO, I think he is living up to the hype, despite this being only his second season (starting). I am really excited for him! When Lozano, Luuk De Jong, or Pereiro leave, he can really make this PSV team his own. If anything, I'd say he is too predictable. From the flank, he loves to cuts to the center and curls the ball... I think he's being heavily scouted, and now defenders are able to close his angles and crowd the space. Another thing that is under-appreciated is his work ethics and diligence tracking back. This was an area of concern last season... he was too casual defending. This year he's been making a great progress in this area. He and Dumfries are developing something special on the right flank. He missed a sitter yesterday because the ball bubbled up last second (I think that's what you're alluding to). Also was unlucky to hit the post.

    Malen is an interesting case... he's been hot and cold, but I like his potential. A very determined kid who fights for the ball and to get into position. A little bit overzealous at time. He was in the Van Bommel's dog house in the match against Groningen when he was subbed only after 43 mins. Received a yellow card, and almost got the second after a stubborn challenge. Dumb move. After that incident, Gakpo was the benefactor and he got his chance - although by salvaging a point yesterday, Malen looks to seriously plead for his case.
     
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  18. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    well from eredivisie point of view, you could say that but then its you skills set that carries you far or either makes or breaks you and unfortunately bergwijn doesn't have it. dont have to name some of the typical wingers like him who were in the same boat as him but failed to live up to expectation in top flight. you look at Arnaut Groeneveld. he never played in eredivisie but yet he has gone to stake his claim at the highest level. if you have to compare the two, its the skills set which gives groeneveld more edge.
     
  19. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Probably we'll have agree to disagree and leave it here (and let time be the answer). All I am saying is that Bergwijn, this season alone, has produced more-than-decent results that are expected based on his age and level of talent... and I take that as an encouraging sign both for PSV and Oranje. I don't know which skill sets you're referring to, but I am not smart enough to predict future success just by that measure..

    Glad that you have a positive outlook on Groeneveld, though. The more options, the better the competition would be for Oranje. I've only seen him a couple of his appearances in Oranje shirt... looks like a solid talent. Too bad his momentum is slowed down this season due to injury. Hopefully no long term ramification.
     
  20. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Well, how wrong I was... that's why nobody is paying me as a pundit :speechless::p

    Reportedly Ajax is making a strong move for Pierie (who only has a year on his current contract), and inviting him to the UCL match vs. Real. Fosu-Mensah is another target that Ajax is eyeing to replace the soon-to-depart De Ligt.

    I think Pierie will be a big asset for Oranje future.
     
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  21. DrFootball1

    DrFootball1 Member

    Jan 15, 2012
    Brussels
    Club:
    Atletico Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    Liam is a CB, he can play as a RB and Heitinga plays him there very often, but his main position should be CB.
     
  22. This goes against everything I cherish in the quest of keeping Dutch soccer competitive and keeping money and education to our own players:
    https://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=348817


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    ‘Ajax is enthousiast over ’parelplan‘ en informeert naar middenvelder’
    Dinsdag, 26 maart 2019 om 09:55
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    Barcelona gaat in de toekomst mogelijk veel talenten stallen bij Ajax, zo meldt Mundo Deportivo dinsdagochtend. Sport meldde al dat de twee clubs nadenken over een samenwerking, mede omdat de bestuurders van de clubs een goede relatie onderhouden. Barcelona ziet het zitten om enkele 'parels' te stallen in Amsterdam, zo klinkt het.

    It's the imbecility of people without strategic and tactical clues whatsoever to advocate getting the best clubs of our country into servant roles to the big clubs and in the process make them richer by giving them the profits of our excellent Academy systems.

    Is there no limit to the imbecility in this land in the media?
     
  23. We had the same nonsense playing around in the heads of PSV management with a cooperation with Bayern.
    After alot of hullaballoo in the press we never heared anything anymore. If the Big clubs still need it to rob our academies from our talents (Zirkzee from Feyenoord to Bayern, Tahit-Chong to ManUnited) it tells you we're the ones that have the talents, not them.
    Just imagine if that stupid Bayern connection idea was implemented. How would PSV have filled the first team with players coming in from their own academy like now? These players would have taken a back seat in favour of foreign cvnt club loans.

    The sport press on internet is one big shit heap.
    Constant diarrhea of stupidity.
     
  24. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Kluivert on the bench for Jong Oranje with Chong and Gakbo on the wings against Egypt. Gakbo with the only goal of the match.
     

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