The Trump Presidency Nein: Leistung, Korruption und Lugen

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  1. Father Ted

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    Should also factor in Obama was given an economy in severe recession while Dubya and Fckface von Clownstick were handed economies in excellent health by their Democrat predecessors.
     
  2. superdave

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    Yeah, that was an unusual way to break it up.
     
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  3. JohnR

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    Wait now, the economy was in recession from March 2001 through November 2001. Bubba led a charmed life, took over early in a recovery and handed the county over just when the next recession was arriving.

    The point remains, though -- the economic results of the first year of any Presidency belong to the predecessor. Dubya owns 2009, and that makes Obama's numbers look much better.
     
  4. The Jitty Slitter

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    meanwhile - strong recessionary indicators today

    1161603973515808768 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  5. JohnR

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    Tax cuts did squat for growth, but they were great for building the deficit.

    Republicans - Fiscally irresponsible
    Libertarians - Fiscally irresponsible
    Democrats - Bad, but better than the above

    That's the correct version of #bothsidesdoit
     
  6. dapip

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    Anything to own the libs.
     
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    I have made the argument before VFish several times that we should judge Presidents by the effects of policies made during their first 100 days, not because I think that Presidents in their first 100 days are more effective than during the rest of their administrations, but specifically because I wanted Q12009 included as a conservative test of Obama's stewardship of the economy. If Obama were indistinguishable from Republican administrations even with the albatross of the Great Recession around his neck, then it would show just how pathetic the "Free Market Party" really is.

    There is nothing special about my argument. I allow the conservatives to wish in their wildest fantasies about how things *should* work according to them, then demonstrate with math how wrong they are. I don't need to make excuses, no matter how valid.

    Conversely, the second any of these quoted arguments is brought up, conservatives can use it to defend their policies, saying that liberals make excuses for lower growth.

    The tl;dr version: argue better, guys.
     
  8. JohnR

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    I saw what you did. You bent over backwards in making the argument, to cut the Republicans every break. That's fine. But that doesn't make you right. Nobody pins second quarter 1933 on FDR, or second quarter 1981 on Reagan. Those are Hoover and Carter years, per economic historians. And 2009 will go down as a Bush year.
     
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  9. song219

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    Of course it was.

    Posted by Black Sabbath
     
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  10. Funkfoot

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    Interesting. I hadn't noticed, because the sight or sound of that thing (I hesitate to say "person") turns my stomach.
     
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  11. American Brummie

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    I laughed at the poor fighting for the rich. I won't say more now, but it gets so much worse than that.
     
  12. charlie15

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    So much winning........
    Joke aside, a recession under this team of corrupt and incompetent is a really scary thought.

     
  13. Dr. Wankler

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    #1588 Dr. Wankler, Aug 14, 2019
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    Cleavon Little?

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001476/

    Died way young. Did great work. He was great as the DJ (Super Soul) in an otherwise not-good movie called Vanishing Point, from 1971.
     
  14. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Like Bush, he'll panic and ask for bipartisanship from Nancy & Chuck. Dems will go into rescue mode again & Republicans will never give them any credit.

    But before that he'll say that Wall Street data is fake news and this is the best economy in history.
     
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  15. song219

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    Nothing will happen because the only economy helping tool the Republicans believe in is tax cuts.
     
  16. ceezmad

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    Maybe is the shade, but the group looks more diverse that I would have expected.
     
  17. ceezmad

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    When was the last time they were in power?
     
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    Well his defenders would say that the Kashmir right to keep other Indians from moving in or buying property in the state was unfair and discrimination (some would also probably argue that partition was bad, and if they could, they would reverse it).

    The end game of the Nationalist?

    Probably what the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis did after partition (in reverse) encourage Hindu people to move into Kashmir to delude the Muslim percentage of the population.

    This the same thing the Chinese government has been doing in Tibet and Xinjiang for decades now, the Hanification of minority majority areas.


    Basically some pretty bigoted (Religionist) shit going down in India right now.
     
  19. JohnR

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    They vote Republican on every fiscal al matter.
     
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  20. charlie15

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    Oh well.......
     
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  21. taosjohn

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    Reagan?

    "Government isn't the answer to the problem, government is the problem."

    I mean, the "I am now a Keynesian" speech was the about last time the Republicans weren't at least trying to share power with them...
     
  22. song219

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    He lives in a very dystopian world (and I'm speaking of the the space between his ears). If I lived in his world I'd shoot Fentanyl into my veins often.
     
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  23. Deep Wilcox

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    #1598 Deep Wilcox, Aug 14, 2019
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    Trump tacitly admits that American consumers pay for the China tariffs:
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/foot...rs-america-trump-delay-tariffs-211032604.html

    Also, Mexico isn't paying for the wall.

    He is such a ********ing idiot, that it is hard to comprehend. If the Dems (Washington Generals) can't win that election, really what are they good for.


    Edit: He is either too stupid to understand tariffs, or is just lying his ass off. And the election will be close. Roll that one around.
     
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  24. charlie15

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  25. charlie15

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    I am increasingly convinced that the elections next year will not be close. As a matter of fact, if we have a recession, it will be a bloodbath.
     
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