The Trump Presidency Nein: Leistung, Korruption und Lugen

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  1. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
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    They are gonna be the ones to administer it, on something like a cost-plus basis; and they may be sort of prospering in the current system, but even they can see it isn't really sustainable.
     
  2. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    Not sure if this was posted before.....


    This is actually what she said.....;)


     
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  3. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    I know his name's on the list as the elected POTUS. I was simply saying they could treat him like the imbecile he is. Or, to really make the point, talk to his daughter instead.
     
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  4. chaski

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    Not sure if Ivanka is sharp enough to think of doing that.
     
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  5. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
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    There is no reason to eliminate private health insurance. Just make medicare (or something like it) available to everyone, and employers will gradually stop offering private insurance. Some people will still want it, or want supplemental policies. Market forces will determine whether private insurance survives.
     
  6. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Sounds about right. I know why Bernie is for abolishing private insurance, because he's the left's "build the wall" candidate, making aspirational statements that can't be implemented, but the rest of 'em should back off. Canada, France, the U.K, New Zealand, Australia, Sweden, Norway ... they all have private insurance, to some extent. The U.S. won't be eliminating private insurance entirely, no matter what the Democrats say.

    But as you suggest, the better the government plan, the less need for private insurance. If the U.S. were to do nationalized health properly, there wouldn't be a big private marketplace.
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    Sounds like socialism to me
     
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  8. Smurfquake

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    This story is from a couple of years ago, but it's on topic:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...egation-lead-president-daughter-a7887731.html

    Summary: an Indian diplomat said that it's in their national interest to kiss up to Ivanka just like they kiss up to half-wit Saudi princes.
     
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  9. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Stop picking winners
     
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  10. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    This trumpeting of abolishing private insurance is bad politics and bad policy as well. I understand Bernie's position but that is a position that can be suicidal, specially in the general. I am not sure either what Kamala was thinking agreeing with it (although she backtracked the next day).
    Idem with busing. This is not a popular topic even with the most liberal people. It is easily can fall to demagoguery as well. There are other ways to improve education than simply busing nowadays. She is playing a dangerous game and may be giving ammunitions to the Trump campaign.

    As Josh Marshall wrote :

    "From the beginning of the primary season I thought that Kamala Harris was the logical nominee, at least by a process of elimination. . She had a lot of strong qualifiers and lacked the borderline disqualifiers that many of the others had.
    I still think that. But one thing that worries me is she seems to have a penchant for making categorical statements that don’t seem core to her campaign but which could be major problems for her if she’s the nominee.


    "You can run an audacious campaign. Or you can run a cautious campaign. The worst mixture is to think you’re running one and find out in the fall of 2020 that you’re running the other without a clear plan on how to do it."
     
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  11. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    Chicago, IL
    Or half-wit U.S. Presidents, who can't pay attention long enough to remember what was in the first sentence by the time that the third sentence comes along. Trump doesn't extent the same courtesy in return, of course, because he's the rich kid who never had to act like the other boys. He expects one-way treatment, as he had enjoyed that privilege his entire life.
     
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  12. Sounders78

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    It seems most Western countries do, at least the ones I spend time in.
     
  13. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
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    How would one set about eliminating it anyway? Outlaw it?
     
  14. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Koncentration Kamp Konditions were so poor that border agents carried around weapons in holding areas for fear of rioting.

    An internal U.S. government review warned in May that conditions at a migrant holding facility in El Paso, Texas, were bad enough that agents there felt compelled to arm themselves in anticipation of a possible riot.

    NBC News obtained a copy of the report, authored by the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Inspector General regarding the findings of a site visit at the El Paso facility on May 7...

    ...While a DHS official told NBC that Border Patrol agents typically secure their firearms in a lockbox when they enter a holding area, those at the El Paso facility were no longer doing so because they feared the conditions “could result in volatile situations (riots, etc.).”

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d1a2887e4b07f6ca5817de8
     
  15. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

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    Jan 7, 2010
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    Every Medicare for All candidate should be out there telling people to ask anyone over 65 if they would rather have the Medicare plan they currently have or if they would prefer to purchase private insurance at full price, or get a job that provides it instead. If you're trying to sell it to regular people, go and ask the people who currently use it. That's your sell as a candidate. None of these candidates is selling that idea to people because Democrats couldn't sell ice water in a desert.

    Also, speak to the freedom of choice for people with regards to Medicare for All. Let individual people have the choice of purchasing private insurance, but let them know that the government will be there to back them up if they decide to go with Medicare, and let them know that Medicare is the same insurance your elderly mother or grandmother uses, and why would you want her to have inferior health coverage?
     
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  16. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    Well, I dunno. Bernie seeks people who view corporations as being evil, and crafts his message accordingly. That seems like good salesmanship to me. But I think his message -- and that of progressives overall -- would be stronger yet if it talked more about possibilities, and less about bad people/corporations.

    Of course, I write that, and Trump does nothing but insult and complain and carp, rarely a positive suggestion, and he's President. So there's that.
     
  17. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

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    That's what the sell should be. The possibility of a better life. Better health, less stress over bills, the feeling of freedom from burdens that a large student loan debt or medical bill can bring. Sell the dream, but then state that the dream doesn't become reality if you don't vote for it.

    Yeah, but Democrats are supposed to be better than Donnie Two Hams. At least our politicians are. I'm not running for office, so I'll call that fat d-bag whatever I want.
     
  18. Robert Borden

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  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    It's surprising Dem candidates don't do more to defence the ACA itself - given that is the base they would work from.
     
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  20. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

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    They could also try referring to it as they ACA as opposed to the term republicans used to belittle it.
     
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  21. bigredfutbol

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    I believe that was Bennett's point in the debate.

    ...or was it Hickenlooper?
     
  22. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

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    I kind of like them calling it Obamacare. For one thing, it drives Trump nuts. For another, it reminds people that a Democratic president brought something valuable into the lives of Americans.
     
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  23. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

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    I just think of them as Bennetlooper.
     
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  24. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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  25. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

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    Sorry to inject a little sanity into the healthcare discussion, but UHC is hoping Medicare for All becomes a reality. then they can sell a Supp or MA plan to every American, not just those that are old or have special needs. The idea that they, meaning private insurance companies, would be actively against it shows how little some people know about how Medicare works.

    UHC is making money hand over fist with just their senior division. Imagine injecting millions of healthy, younger, people into their programs.

    Medicare for All would probably consolidate the Medicare insurance industry to just those few massive companies that know how to manage it.
     
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