The Transgender Discussion [Strictly Moderated]

It must be exhausting being you.

I couldn't do it.

 

To say that lesbians are attracted to women isn't a "preconceived idea" except to the extent that we speak a language with words and words have definitions. I mean, am I criticizing your preconceived idea of what "exhausting" means? No, because that would be stupid.

I was thinking more of what it must be like to be fully woke 36 hours a day.

 

I don't think I ever said anything was "wrong." Inconsistent, maybe, but not wrong.

 

I guess to us hetero dudes (99.7% of P&CE) this doesn't add up. But I don't really worry about what people do in private if it's not involving kids, animals or illegal acts. Maybe the cousin's really attracted to femme dudes and this is how they're going about it?

 

When ever I encounter something like described above about love and relationships I always end up with Chuck Berry's "You Never Can Tell" in my head. Sure Chucks song was about young love but I find it can fit many different types of relationships and our own opinion on what works best to make a happy loving relationship.

 

I've seen enough crummy "normal" marriages to know that whatever makes ya happy is the best route to go. Gay, straight, celibate, married, single whatever.

 

I just worry about people permanently mutilating their body for some grass is greener pie in the sky ideal of what is being the opposite sex. No matter how many surgeries you have done or how many hormones you take, you are never truly going to be the opposite sex. Why ruin a perfectly healthy body? Work with what you have. Cross dress or be gay or whatever you want.
As someone who has atrocious health problems, it boggles my mind when people willingly put themselves under the knife when they don't absolutely have to for medical reasons.
It also makes me wonder what people think being the other gender is really about. What is it that really makes me a woman? Is it my breasts? What if I have a mastectomy? Am I not a woman then? If that's the case, why would a man who wants to be a woman need breast implants? Do my ovaries make me a woman? Again, if I have them removed, am I not a woman? You can't implant ovaries into a man. Does my period make me a woman? Again, something that is never going to be recreated with a sex change, even if that was what made me a woman. If my gender is a social construct (which it pretty much is), then why do you need to physically change your body to fit that?
Again, I just don't understand physically mutilating perfectly healthy working parts. It's like cutting off my arms because I think should have been born without arms. If someone wants to cut off their arms, you send them to a psychiatrist. If someone wants to cut off their penis, you say sure, why not? You have to go to a psychiatrist still, but generally they'll rubber stamp it.
Sorry, I'm usually pretty liberal, and I don't have any problems with trans people themselves. I just dont understand surgical sex changes. I think we're going to look back on this time a hundred years from now and think we were completely nuts and barbaric.

 

Again, goes back to being happy with yourself. If you know you don't wanna live with cock n' balls or a vag your entire life, why continue with it? Assuming successful surgery & maintenance is a viable option.

 

I'd probably would want to hear what a trans persons thoughts on such surgery more than anyone else's.

 

I don't understand why people have such strong preferences on this. It's not a major drain on the economy, very few people are involved, and it doesn't hurt anyone else. I sit on the "let them do what they want to themselves" side of the aisle, mostly because in a world where we have millions of bigger problems, how one's junk is attached is so low on the totem pole.

 

I usually don't give a flying fig what people to to themselves. Mine is more concern that we're doing them a giant disservice by encouraging them to have a surgery that will alter them forever with no possibility of reversion and possibly doing irreparable harm to their body, both surgically and hormonally. I'm seeing an endocrinologist right now and on meds, and let me tell you, most of them don't have a clue when it comes to hormones, even when that's supposed to be their specialty. We know so little about how hormones work in the body, especially female hormones, and then add that to unchartered territory with giving them to the opposite sex?

 

I don't know the answer. Like our utility says - call before you dig

 

Yeah, but until we know, why not let them do them?

 

Should the military cover this?

It does breast implants so I can see why there is an argument for yes. Prisons? Where would we send them? Gender neutral prisons?

 

Do you feel the same way about drugs? Let anyone take whatever experimental drug is out there for whatever they want even though we have no clue what the drug does? I mean, why not let people take it until we know if it kills them? Why do we even have an FDA or approved medical procedures?

 

Not sure what the big deal is. It's an advanced form of cosmetic surgery. If some dimwit wants to look like a Barbie doll or Superman, who cares?

 

Fail!

 

As long as the drug does what it prescribes and doesn't harm anyone else, why not?