Fair points, you're right on pats and Sox. It just seemed like 10k! The Sox tickets were never hard to get even during the height of Clemens. I went to sox-yankees in the 90s and it wasnt anywhere near the spectacle it is now. But digress. In terms of the revs, one point I should have made was the GM makes all the difference. From the pats under Pete Carroll/Bobby Grier to Belichick. The Bruins under Chiarelli started to turn it around. Celtics under Ainge. Sox under Henry/Theo. You get the idea - smart owners surround themselves with smart people, who hire other smart people. The weak link with the revs? Mike Burns as GM. Yes the owners could be more forthcoming but with a better GM who can close deals and restore some faith in the org among agents and (to a lesser degree) players, things will start to change.