The "Thoughts That Don't Require Their Own Thread" Thread XII

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  1. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair points, you're right on pats and Sox. It just seemed like 10k! The Sox tickets were never hard to get even during the height of Clemens. I went to sox-yankees in the 90s and it wasnt anywhere near the spectacle it is now. But digress.

    In terms of the revs, one point I should have made was the GM makes all the difference. From the pats under Pete Carroll/Bobby Grier to Belichick. The Bruins under Chiarelli started to turn it around. Celtics under Ainge. Sox under Henry/Theo. You get the idea - smart owners surround themselves with smart people, who hire other smart people. The weak link with the revs? Mike Burns as GM. Yes the owners could be more forthcoming but with a better GM who can close deals and restore some faith in the org among agents and (to a lesser degree) players, things will start to change.
     
  2. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, even at their worst, the Pats, unlike the Chargers, could have sold out the local soccer stadium! Considering the Pats history since Kraft has owned the team, they had 3 coaches. Bill Parcells, Peter Carroll and Bill Bellichick. 2 out of those 3 had a lot of success, and they were paired with GMs/Personnel Directors who were also equally up to the task.

    They have tried to run the Revs in a similar way, but when you have Mike Burns as the main lynchpin, the guy who you are pinning your hopes on, well, as Doctor Phil would say, "how's that working out for you?"
     
  3. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. A Casual Fan

    A Casual Fan Member+

    Mar 22, 2000
    Interesting, but there is a lot of data here - I've tried to draw some conclusions, only to discard and rethink. A few times now...
     
  5. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what that all means. It looks like Columbus has a stack of money they can use for paying down a future signing or maybe to trade for a player. We traded a little bit away and have a small amount (maybe 100k?) to spend. Not a lot, but maybe enough to keep someone from being counted as a DP
     
  6. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. BERich

    BERich Member

    Feb 3, 2012
    New England
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From the article:
    one that is being driven by a largely new front office and coaching staff hell-bent on proving to their fans that what they’re doing is going to work.
     
  8. A Casual Fan

    A Casual Fan Member+

    Mar 22, 2000
    Confusing article name for Revs fans. We could use a Rapid Revolution here...


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    Some other quotes of interest -

     
  9. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Revs version:

    “Listen, the supporters are the inconvenience of any soccer organization. It’s really important that [the fans] not feel a part of what we’re doing here and that they understand how profitable that we want to be. It’s something that were very cognizant of from the start – we’re very frightened by putting ourselves out there and saying what we want to do and what we want to achieve,” New England Revolution General Manager Michael Burns.
     
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  10. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's really very little correlations either way.
     
  11. A Casual Fan

    A Casual Fan Member+

    Mar 22, 2000
  12. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We already know that MLS doesn't like showing us on national TV ... it's apparent they barely even like to mention us. Great thread here.
     
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  13. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    They barely seem to know the Revs exist (like many of my neighbors).

     
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  14. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dunno what makes some 18th century Scottish economist an expert on MLS, but rest assured, the Revs don't have to piss anyone off at MLS HQ to not get any national coverage.Let's face it, there are a few good story lines going around in the early MLS season, lots of interesting things to talk about.

    But the Revs aren't one of them.

    If you weren't a Revs fan, would you be interested in reading about us? Didn't think so.
     
  15. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah but I don't care about Atlanta and the league news feed may as well be the Atlanta fan news feed.
     
  16. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree, I get tired of whoever the League decides is the team of the moment. It's been a long time since I could justify this "I'm a fan of the league as a whole" attitude, now that no one is going to cause the whole league to fold.
     
  17. A Casual Fan

    A Casual Fan Member+

    Mar 22, 2000
     
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  18. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  19. Hockey77

    Hockey77 New Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 3, 2017
    BostonSportsJournal.com is looking for someone to cover the Revs, though they're not doing it enthusiastically.

    New England Revolution: The Revolution have started their season, but we’re still going over our options on them. No, this isn’t ideal, but it’s a very long season and we’re not going to rush anything to cover soccer in March. If you’re interested in covering them for us, send me an email with your resume, clips and ideas for coverage to greg@bostonsportsjournal.com.
     
  20. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds like they've embraced the revs' strategy for signing players. No rush
     
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  21. Argyle

    Argyle Member

    Jan 31, 2002
    Plymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder what BSJ offers its writers. We know who the soccer writers are out there, do they offer something better than what people like FDA or Kyle McCarthy or getting now?
     
  22. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know Sean Sweeney, who does some local coverage for the Revs in Central Mass, has offered his services to them.
     
  23. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    I don't think this is a long-term thing, I think Friedel is going back to training-camp mode, since they have a 2 week gap with the season barely begun.

    With no games for 2 weeks, it's hard to maintain fitness when they haven't had enough games yet to get up to mid-season shape.
    My point is that cities with no/few big-4 pro teams have a built-up hunger for local pro sports and we've seen that enthusiasm explode in places like Seattle, Portland, Orlando, etc.

    The NHL is seeing it in Vegas.
     
  24. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That may be a factor in some places, but let's face it, the NFL has 32 teams, MLB and the NBA have 29 in the US, and the NHL has 24. MLS is comparable with 20 US-based teams. Without counting, probably 2/3 of those cities have 3 or more teams in those leagues, and most of them are doing quite well.

    The real difference is that places like Seattle, Portland, Atlanta and Toronto have thriving MLS teams because they have ownerships who are committed. It has no bearing that Portland only has the Blazers, Seattle has the Seahawks and Mariners, and Toronto and Atlanta have teams in 3 of the 4 major leagues.
     
  25. BERich

    BERich Member

    Feb 3, 2012
    New England
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From an article on the Guardian:

    Does MLS really promote flashier clubs over less glamorous ones?


    "It showed Los Angeles FC to be the most mentioned MLS team over the past two months, with the Portland Timbers somewhat surprisingly the least mentioned. The New York Red Bulls were the most retweeted, with the New England Revolution the least."
    "Combining both posts and retweets, Atlanta United and Toronto FC come out above all else. The Revolution, again, don’t come out so well."

    Gee, what a surprise; the league puts in as much of an effort on the Revs as the ownership does.
     
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