The "Thoughts That Don't Require Their Own Thread" Thread III

Yes, I know that Hartford isn't going to be hosting the Final or Semi-finals, and that having the Rose Bowl just for a group game would be a waste, but no one has pointed out any of the 13 Gold Cup venues that are as booked for July 2013 as Gillette Stadium.

 

For the last time, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

Because there probably isn't a bid process for group-stage-only. Once the stadiums are selected then CONCACAF determines which stadiums get group games, and then the subsequent rounds.

Yes, if Gillette bid, they would probably be given a group stage game anyways, but that is taking away from CONCACAF's ability to decide what kind of game would come to Foxboro. I don't think CONCACAF wants to be forced to place a group game here just because there are no other options because the stadium is otherwise booked. With the open month in Hartford, they could at least consider other games there too. It's called scheduling flexibility.

 

Oh yeah Sports Authority Field is booked on 7/20/13 for a Kenny Chesney concert. Oh wait a minute isn't that the same day that Gillette is booked for a concert.

http://www.sportsauthorityfieldatmilehigh.com/

 

Because when the Gold Cup venues are available for July 2013, it gives CONCACAF optimal flexibility to schedule the games and the venues AS CONCACAF SEES FIT. It's not up to the stadium to say, we have 1 week open, can you fit us in there somehow.

 

Cowboys Stadium has a trucking event on 7/13 during the goup stage. So with trucking in dirt and setting up tracks. That takes a few days before and after. So that eliminates them from Group Stage.

 

Is there an MLS game there the week prior and another concert the week after that too?

No, okay, just checking. Then it is not in the same situation as Gillette Stadium.

 

Ha you do know that a MLS game have always been packaged with Gold Cup games right? It actually is the same situation. A concert on 7/20/13 will only allow Denver Group stage games. Same situation Gillette would have been in.

 

And before you say prove the Gold Cup games with MLS games here at the Revs ones

7/12/03 Can vs CR, Revs vs Metros, US vs EL Sal
7/16/05 Hon vs CR, US vs Jam, Revs vs FCD
6/16/07 US vs Pan, Can vs Guatemala, Revs vs CBus
7/11/09 Hon vs Grenada, Revs vs KC, US vs Haiti

 

Oh and Bon Jovi is at Soldier Field 7/12. So that takes them out of the running for group games.

 

But why does our availability in late July matter to CONCACAF when they have no intentions of us hosting anything but group stage games? The quarters, semis and final always have been and always will be played in New York, Chicago, Houston, and Los Angeles. Like I said before, 70% of the stadiums selected will only host games during a period that fits perfectly into Gillette Stadium's current schedule, so your argument about "optimal flexibility" is ridiculous. Your argument makes no sense.

 

And FYI they did bid on Group Stage Games and Knockout rounds in different bids.

http://www.concacaf.com/page/GoldCup/NewsDetail/0,,12813~2657806,00.html

Representatives of cities from the Atlantic to Pacific coasts asked questions of CONCACAF Acting General Secretary Ted Howard and SUM officials in advance of the March 23 deadline to submit bids to host the two quarterfinal doubleheader dates, the semifinal doubleheader and the single-game final.

 

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JDEsq09 you speak with such confidence for someone who has no idea what he's talking about. I would think that this should end your argument, but I'm sure you'll just change your stance slightly to something else.

 

No, because Denver can host games after the 7/20 concert too.

 

Where does that say there were separate bids?

 

March 23 deadline to submit bids to host the two quarterfinal doubleheader dates, the semifinal doubleheader and the single-game final.

 

Yeah, so teams were asking for the qualifications to be considered for the knockout stages. That doesn't say there were separate bids.

 

That statement clearly shows that the bidding process for quarters/semis/final was entirely separate from the group stage.

And you're still mising the entire point, which is that CONCACAF doesn't want us to host in the quarters/semis/final so Gillette's schedule during that time period is irrelevent. All that matters is that we had open availability during the group stage and yet we still weren't given games. Case closed.

 

2011 precedent shows it is different bids.

3 Groups of 4
6 games each group
18 group games(9 Stadiums 1 day for a DH)
4 QF(2 Stadiums each with DH)
2 SF (1 Stadium wiht DH)
1 Final


9 stadiums for the Group Stage
Starts 7/7-7/16

2 Stadiums for QF
7/20 and 7/21

1 Stadium for SF
7/24 or 7/25

1 Stadium Final
7/28

 

And you only need 1 day available. You only going to host Gold Cup matches 1 day.

 

I would say it's unbelievable, but at this point it really isn't.

This thread has served as a perfect example of why people don't respect JDEsq09 and his posts and consider him to be a troll. He blindly defended something he knew very little about, managed to insult and talk down to people who argued in his opposition, continued to ignore facts and reason to his own liking, and then managed to slightly change his argument in order to avoid reality and keep the argument going. This is trolling at its finest. Meanwhile, he'll play the victim and critcize the mods for not defending him. Ridiculous.

 

"CONCACAF did not state which venues would host the knockout stages, although the cities that boast the larger grounds have the better chances of doing so, such as Sun Life Stadium, Cowboys Stadium, Soldier Field, Rose Bowl and Century Link."

If there were separate bids, there would be a list of group stage venues and knockout stage venues. There's no distinction at this stage. Knockout stage venues will be determined at a later date. Case closed.