The Red Baron: Josh Sargent at Norwich City

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  1. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    perhaps he's an exception that proves the rule.
     
  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    with Osako and Pizarro back neither American striker made the matchday squad....
     
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  3. chrisdon72

    chrisdon72 Member

    Feb 23, 2000
    No surprise. Baring injuries or a meaningless end of season match we won't be seeing much if anything of Josh for the rest of the Bundesliga season.
     
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  4. Excellency

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    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Believe it or not, we might see Sargent @ Bayern Munich April 20 because it looks like Bremen play Bayern Munich on 20th then again in Bremen for DFB Pokal semi final on April 24. It will be interesting to see how they rotate the squad.
     
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  5. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Watched the first half of today's game the Egg "blew" a chance midway through but Weder attack was limited. Dunno how the 2nd played out. WB strikers did not instill fear.
     
  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Osako off the bench assisted the goal, Gladbach dominated vast majority of the game.

    speaking of strikers the currently unfit Fullkrug is being linked with both Bremen and Gladbach since H96 are very likely headed down.
     
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  7. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    When healthy, Fullkrug was pretty effective. I'd take a flier on him.
     
  8. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    looks like Bild says that Fullkrug is going to Bremen for $8M (which is the min required pay) and that he'll sign until 2023. Wonder if he's supposed to replace Kruse (expiring 2019 contract and linked with Gladbach) or Old Man Pizarro.Also Kohfeldt has know Fullkrug since he was a kid since Fullkrug came from the Bremen Academy and started his career at Bremen. This move is like Kruse 2.0, ex Bremen youth who doesn't really make it at the club when young is brought back years later.

    does make one wonder if Sargent ends up going on loan next season?
     
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  9. chrisdon72

    chrisdon72 Member

    Feb 23, 2000
    Kruse has been linked with Spurs on a free, too. Max Eggestein with a big money move to BVB. It's likely Werder Bremen will have some spending money to strengthen the squad at Sargent's expense.

    Josh is a cheap squad player and useful cover. He isn't going anywhere on loan. I would expect Josh to follow a similar path as J. Eggestein at Bremen. That means another year riding the bench, mostly. Then hopefully a starting role in his 3rd year in the squad.
     
  10. chrisdon72

    chrisdon72 Member

    Feb 23, 2000
    Yes, indeed it would be interesting with Bremen potentially fighting for a place in Europe and the big Pokal match at the same time. Germany does a nice job with their cup. That Bayern game this week was off the hook. I'm impressed.

    The best we can hope for is a move up to sub role for Josh I believe. Harnik was the late sub when Josh was unused. Somebody else will start over him with so much at stake.
     
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  11. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. ArsenalMetro

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    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Bremen up 2-0 late, all 3 subs made, no Sargent.

    The result combined with others puts them up to 6th.
     
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  13. mace

    mace Member+

    Indy 11
    United States
    Jun 5, 2004
    USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stinks that Sargent was not even on the bench today against BM. He must not be showing much in training nowadays.
     
  14. m vann

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    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bremen is two points off the pace for a Europa League spot. They are trying to secure that spot and are putting out the players who are experienced and can get them there. I highly doubt it has anything to do with Josh’s play.
     
  15. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
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    I’m reminded of Gen George Picket who was asked how he lost at Gettysburg “ I always thought it had something to do with the Yankees “.
     
  16. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Bremen has a deep, experienced and talented attack.

    Hopefully the situation clears up for Josh over the summer. ‍♂️
     
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  17. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    So, if he doesn't make the bench for the first team, would it mostly mean he will be playing for the reserve squad (for that next match)? I'm kinda confused what his position is with the team overall.
     
  18. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    He's in that limbo where you're too good for the reserves and not good enough for the 18, the limbo where Green was with Bayern and Hyndman with B'mouth. Then you're used as a sparring partner for the main team during practices, and watch the games from the stands.
     
  19. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s not a bad place to be at 19 for his first year in the league but it’s not something that he can let last. He either needs to improve going into the next year to get PT or go on loan. What he can’t let happen is becoming comfortable and staying in that limbo like Green for a couple of years. Hyndman took a chance with a great coach in a tough league. It didn’t work out but at least he was pushing for loans to go and get PT. Green was fine with his situation. I hope Sarge is neither and just becomes good enough but if not I hope he at least pushes for PT.
     
  20. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They are going with their best players not experience. Sadly Josh is not among them.
     
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  21. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    its simple mathematics....if a team has 8 options that are all at reasonably similar levels and potentially suitable for 2 spots on the field....the 6 who aren't chosen are not necessarily any worse than the 2 who are....its a numbers game plain and simple.

    from the club's perspective, they arent any worse off for having an army of attackers waiting in the wings....really haven't seen such a plethora of attackers on any other bundesliga team this year as there are at bremen....

    I think the contract extension he signed last month through 2022 speaks volumes about how the club sees him and his future at the club even if he isn't starting right now.
     
  22. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    They are pushing for an EL place and were away against the league leaders who were going to push hard for a win, and preferably a blowout win to ramp up the pressure on the chasers. Damage limitation (a blowout loss would damage their EL hopes) and the game management abilities that requires would have been paramount for the Bremen coach.

    In those circumstances, the best players are the experienced players: if they're fit and on form they'll be picked first, even if the younger ones offer somewhat more going forward. The old hands are less likely to try something that will turn a break into a shock lead - or give away possession on the break and conceding a goal on the counter.
     
  23. chrisdon72

    chrisdon72 Member

    Feb 23, 2000
    This really is the expected outcome when a highly rated youth international signs with a Bundesliga club. Nobody forced Josh to big time MLS and wait nearly a near to sign with a Bundesliga club. He has made his own bed here. He could have signed with SKC at 16 and likely had near a full seasons worth of match experience at this point. Vermes started a 16 year old in his last match after he started banging in goals. If Josh is sitting in the stands now that is the choice he made. He faces a long grind now as a part time squad player.
     
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  24. PaulGascoigne

    PaulGascoigne Member+

    Feb 5, 2001
    Aotearoa/NZ
    Uh, despite his untimely demise (!!), Josh is on the pitch and warming up at the moment. .
    He's not listed as a starter but I'm assuming he's in the 18.
     
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  25. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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