The paucity of English opportunity thread

Discussion in 'England' started by wellno, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Chalobah, Dozzell, Downes and Nydam. Now Edun ?

     
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  2. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Yeah, I don't really get it. They've loaned Chalobah to play him out of position at DM, and now they're loaning Edun who actually is a DM? Are they going to play him at left-back? Even setting aside their own youth players, it's a bit baffling. Hope it works out though.
     
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  3. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    He's a player I really like. I don't understand why his career isn't moving faster. Hopefully they'll play the euro 19 pivot with him and Dozell
     
  4. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Some other moves for young English playerson loan.

    Jacob Maddox - Cheltenham
    Herbie Kane - Doncaster

    WBAs Jack Fitzwater & Kane Wilson (2000) to Walsall

     
  5. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Actually gave me the idea to do a more complete one for lesser scrutinised loan and perm moves. Mainly L1 and L2

    LOAN
    Tom King - Millwall to Wimbeldon
    Tennai Watson - Reading to Wimbledon
    Jack Payne - Huddersfield to Bradford
    George Miller - Middlesbrough to Bradford
    Dujon Sterling - Chelsea to Coventry
    Mallik Wilks - Leeds to Doncaster
    Herbie Kane - Liverpool to Doncaster
    Lewie Coyle - Leeds to Fleetwood
    Jorge Grant - Forest to Luton
    Luke Garbutt - Everton to Oxford
    Sam Smith - Reading to Oxford
    Marcus Browne - West Ham to Oxford
    Tyler Denton - Leeds to Peterborough
    Matt Macey - Arsenal to Plymouth
    Cameron Borthwick-Jackson - Man Utd to Scunthorpe
    Stephen Humphrys - Fulham to Scunthorpe
    Charlie Colkett - Chelsea to Shrewsbury
    Jerome Sinclair - Watford to Sunderland
    Jack Fitzwater - WBA to Walsall
    Kane Wilson - WBA to Walsall
    Randell Williams - Watford to Wycombe

    Matthew Hudson - Preston to Bury
    Joe Fryer - Middlesbrough to Carlisle
    Regan Slater - Sheff Utd to Carlise
    Jerry Yates - Rotherham to Carlisle
    Jacob Maddox - Chelsea to Cheltenham
    Tristan Abrahams - Norwich to Exeter
    Adam Crookes - Forest to Lincoln
    Scott Wharton - Blackburn to Lincoln
    Tyler Walker - Forest to Mansfield
    Tyreeq Bakinson - Bristol City to Newport
    Antoine Semenyo - Bristol City to Newport
    Lewis Ward - Reading to Northampton
    Ben Hall - Brighton to Notts County
    Sam Surridge - Bournemouth to Oldham
    Sid Nelson - Millwall to Swindon
    Steven Alzate - Brighton to Swindon
    Elijah Adebayo - Fulham to Swindon
    Nathan Baxter - Chelsea to Yeovil
    Reece Cole - Brentford to Yeovil

    PERMANENT

    Kean Bryan - Man City to Sheff Utd

    Offrande Zanzala - Derby to Accrington
    Marc Bola - Arsenal to Blackpool
    Joe Riley - Man Utd to Bradford
    Connor Wood - Leicester to Bradford
    Tareiq Holmes-Dennis - Huddersfield to Bristol Rovers
    Jordy Hiwula - Huddersfield to Coventry
    Chris Long - Burnley to Fleetwood
    Isaac Buckley-Richards - Man City to Peterborough
    Louis Reed - Sheff Utd to Peterborough
    Callum Cooke - Middlesbrough to Peterborough
    Conor Grant - Everton to Plymouth
    Calum Dyson - Everton to Plymouth
    Tafari Moore - Arsenal to Plymouth
    Ashley Smith-Brown - Man City to Plymouth
    Anton Walkes - Tottenham to Portsmouth
    Olu Olomola - Southampton to Scunthorpe
    Alex Gillead - Newcastle to Shrewsbury

    Dom Telford - Stoke to Bury
    George Glendon - Man City to Carlisle
    Tahvon Campbell - WBA to Forest Green
    Charles Vernam - Derby to Grimsby
    Harry Toffolo - Millwall to Lincoln
    Jordan Houghton - Chelsea to MK Dons
    Bailly Cargill - Bournemouth to MK Dons
    Andrew Tutte - Man City to Morecambe
    Will Patching - Man City to Notts County
     
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  6. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    I'm not sure I understand this one, but only thing that makes sense is that he will be competing for LB spot.

    That will be 6 '99s who have played for England in last 18 months though with those 5 and Ben Morris.

    EDIT - Forgot Edun was a '98
     
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  7. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Edun deal is done
     
  8. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Some of the stuff Mourinho has so blatantly said about the young players in pre-season has been nothing short of a joke. Clearly gets zero enjoyment working with young players who want to absorb and learn. Urrrghh

     
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  9. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    Chelsea never seem to disappoint: now they want Fekir, which means another loan for RLC, a lot of sitting on the bench for Barkley and endless other loans for Mount.
     
  10. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    Also: why do Leicester sign not one but two central defenders today? What does it mean for Darnell Johnson, Hughes and Knight?
     
  11. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
  12. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Chelsea signed Kovacic so rlc won’t get much game time anyway

    Cesc rlc and Kovacic play the attacking cm role and of course Jorginho will play every game
     
  13. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    You got to get into that Sarri rotation. If you don't then playing time will be difficult.

    They have 8 MFs for 3 positions which will likely fall to 7 but squads these days are greedy. Versatility and bargains are forgotten in this game now. 2 for each position bare minimum.
     
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  14. greengrass81

    greengrass81 Member

    Manchester United
    Aug 2, 2015
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Can't see Barkley getting much game time either. Barkley should of went to Tottenham instead of Chelsea.
     
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  15. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Well, it completely depends on what happens with Morgan and Benoulane.

    I can see Morgan going on loan to the football league.
    Benoulane - Has to go somewhere.

    Their contracts are up after this season.

    Johnson will go out on loan - Otherwise he was pretty daft to sign the new contract.
    Hughes is slated to go out on loan
    No idea about Knight.

    Worst case scenario - They are back at the club at the start of next season with the two new ones and Evans.
    Can't see Maguire staying more than another season.
     
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  16. ColinA_1717

    ColinA_1717 New Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Nov 21, 2011
    I'm so frustrated with the PL. They overspend on mediocre foreigners (eg Sanchez at W. Ham) and block the path of our youth players. Many of the u21s (Abraham, Solanke, Oxford, Roberts, Woodman, Dowell, DLC, KWP, Holgate, Lookman, etc) need loans now, preferably to the contient as the Championship is now overspending on mediocre players
     
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  17. greengrass81

    greengrass81 Member

    Manchester United
    Aug 2, 2015
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I think it's about time the premier league became known as the foreign league rather than the domestic league.
     
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  18. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    For once, I actually kind of agree. I’ve kind of loss my connection with the league I grew up with and loved. I’m becoming disillusioned with it all tbh and find myself not watching half as many games as I used to.
     
  19. wellno

    wellno Member+

    Jul 31, 2016
    The Tottenham Supporters Trust have issued a statement moaning about their transfer window. Amongst other things they had this to say:

    Good to see a message like that coming from a club's fanbase. In Poch's early days at Tottenham there was a lot of buzz around him bringing through youth but that died a quiet death in subsequent seasons. Similar to, but not as bad as, Southampton really - they were the darlings of development not too long ago but when's the last time they properly integrated an academy player into their squad?
     
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  20. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Tosin (WBA)
    Nmecha (Preston)
    Roberts
    Duhaney
    Diallo
    Humphreys
    Demetri Mitchell
    Tomori (Derby)
    Loftus-Cheek (staying)
    Tammy
    Izzy Brown
    Ojo
    Armstrong (Blackburn)
    Onomah
    Marcus Edwards
    Dasilva (Bristol City)
    Dasilva (Arsenal, permanent)
    Willock
    Connolly (Wigan)
    Dowell
    Lookman
    Woodman
    Tuanzebe (Villa)
    Galloway
    Tayo Edun (Ipswich)
    Mahoney (Birmingham)
    Oxford
    Ugbo
    Mavididi
    Barker (Preston)
    Joe Williams
    Sam Hughes
    Darnell Johnson
    Easah Suliman
    Taylor Moore
    Holgate
    Calvert-Lewin
    Barkley

    Still so many players who need loans. Kind of embarrassing how full of young loanees the football league will be. Makes a mockery of everything. Some won't move, but most could do with moving.
     
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  21. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Oxford will be back in the Bundesliga by the end of the month from what I heard today. Three Clubs mentioned were Frankfurt, Hannover and Freiburg ( I think ). Funnily enough I don’t think Monchengladbach was mentioned.
     
  22. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Leipzig the other. Saw a tweet that seemed to make them front runners.
     
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  23. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Joe Willock was also sent back to u23s because new signing of the same age from Ligue 2 impressed more in pre-season. Not that I particularly rate Joe Willock massively but things can change very quickly. It might be premature but do I see his future with Arsenal ? Probably not.

    It seems being a young English GK, CB, CM or CF it is extremely tough to be backed in England.

    Athletic full-backs and fast skillful tricky attackers seem to have the best opportunities.
     
  24. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    It’s going to depend on how certain players are used in squads. Players like Tammy, DCL and Barkley/RLC could still have productive seasons if they get a few breaks and take their chances.

    Can’t say I’m fond of Tuanzabe’s move. Main issue is players going on loan at this point merely as squad cover and barely playing by December.
     
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  25. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    So what's likely to happen to Onomah and Marcus Edwards now?
     

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