The Other Juve related news discussion thread

Discussion in 'Juventus' started by 1251alex, Jan 20, 2011.

  1. thinredline10

    thinredline10 Member+

    Juventus
    Apr 2, 2017
    Were Fiat workers getting decent fair wages or were they getting shafted? I am sure that the pay was low as part of the building effort of the company and the time period it was in... but could a fiat worker live a decent life?

    How were they violently anti union? Would they pay the cops to come bust up the protests?

    I am guessing the anti union philosophy was due to the scare of communism gaining power... which is understandable and even justifiable... as long as Fiat workers werent getting slave wages.
     
  2. scirea6

    scirea6 Member+

    Sep 20, 2007
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    #1952 scirea6, Dec 22, 2017
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2017
    It wasn’t solely the threat of Communism (and it was a serious threat in Italy, especially during the late 1960s until the early 1980s) or the backlash against it, because the Agnellis also used their personal fortune in order to discourage unionizing. The built homes, schools (and the education provided by them), and neighborhoods for their workers. And they even provided entertainment...

    Juventus is, or rather was, for all intents and purposes, the propaganda wing of the FIAT Corporation, and it has been since 1923. It is what FIAT workers did when they weren’t in the factories: they watched the games of the football team owned by their employer. You’ll notice that no specific city or town is mentioned in the club’s name (unlike crosstown “rivals” Torino FC or even FC Internazionale Milano), and there’s a reason for that.

    It is also the reason why the club fostered such a “close” relationship with the Italian National Team. And it was more than close: it was symbiotic. Only Bayern Munich approaches Juventus in its contribution to their country’s international success, and it was some that Agnelli, or rather his brother Umberto, actively courted. They used it, rather obviously (some might say shamelessly) as soft promotion for FIAT itself.

    Hence the widespread love or hatred for Juventus throughout the Italian peninsula. It’s at least in some part a reflection of whether you have/had reason to love or hate FIAT, and consequently, the Agnelli Family.


    EDIT: Also, how f*cking stupid is the name “FC Internazionale Milano”? Either they’re international, or they represent Milano. What the hell is ‘International Milan’?

    That shitstain of a club tries to have it both ways even in their goddamned name. It’s just what they are, what they’ve always been, and what they’ll always be.
     
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  3. Falc

    Falc Member+

    Jul 29, 2006
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Internazionale Milan came about because Milan Cricket and Football Club was made primarily of Italians. A group of players broke off from the club with the intent to be more open to foreigners.

    Juventus was actually founded as a school boys team. The name came about when a group of students were passing notes during Latin class to meet afterwards at the bench to create the team. The professor noticed the boys passing the notes and inquired what they were doing. Once proclaimed there were forming a study group. The professor responded, che Juventus (what youth). Thus the team name..
     
  4. Falc

    Falc Member+

    Jul 29, 2006
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Also, Torino is an offshoot of Juventus.
     
  5. scirea6

    scirea6 Member+

    Sep 20, 2007
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    #1955 scirea6, Dec 23, 2017
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2017
    Oh, I know.

    But the merdisti wanted to be able to sign foreigners (specificly South Americans) only because they were dirt cheap and ready made by South American football clubs. Their inbred supporters genuinely believe and “brag” that their founders were progressive visionaries far ahead of their time, and that even back then their (disgusting) club was “morally superior” to all other Italian clubs.

    That these people actually assign moral agency to a football club is ridiculously stupid, and the true reason merda’s founders left AC Milan was simply a cynical commitment to the bottom line. It would be far more difficult and expensive to develop Italian talent than it was to simply buy it from South America.

    That doesn’t make the name that directly translates into ‘International Milan’ any less contradictory or moronic.

    As for the cows, it’s much harder to develop a national “brand” (for lack of a better word) when the name of the club is that of the city itself. It would be fruitless and ridiculous for Southern Italians to support Torino FC, but with the name Juventus Football Club that problem is eliminated. It’s almost certainly the one of the main reasons Eduardo Agnelli chose to buy us rather than them (Torino).
     
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  6. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

    Feb 17, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Southern Italians don’t give a shit about the name. Like all sports winning teams attract fans from all over. That’s why you find Dallas fans all over the place.
     
  7. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #1957 falvo, Dec 23, 2017
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2017
    From what my grandparents , uncles and parents told me, most of Italy , north and south supported Grande Torino during WW2 up until the Superga air crash in 1949 and Juventus was secondary to Toro back then. Juve hadn’t won a scudetto for 15 years because of how strong Torino was. I heard many stories when I lived in Italy about that Grande Torino squad.
     
  8. usnroach

    usnroach Member+

    Jul 5, 2009
    SoCal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So did everyone else notice that Dybala was wearing Adidas boots in the game today instead of the painted black Nike's that he has been wearing previously? Has anyone heard if he was able to finally sign an endorsement?
     
  9. thinredline10

    thinredline10 Member+

    Juventus
    Apr 2, 2017
    All of his endorsement situation is a mess... His former agent has his image rights, he is signed with Puma, it sounds like he is contesting it all and is just doing what he wants. Plus with his bro shopping him around, who knows what is going on... i dont even think he does.
     
  10. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
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  11. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
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  12. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
  13. scirea6

    scirea6 Member+

    Sep 20, 2007
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Honestly, I think that shipped has sailed.

    He was seriously considered by our upper management after Claudio Ranieri was sacked. I think Gasp believed that, given the state Juve was in at the time, it was now or never and he wanted to play an instrumental role in reviving the the club and restoring our past glories. Secco and co, in their infinite wisdom, went with Ciro Ferrara instead.

    Gasperini made comments to the media at the time which indicated just how disappointed he was not to get the job, which had been the goal of his entire managerial career. In fact, he's been so vocal in the past about how much he wanted to manage Juventus that the merdisti actually accused him of intentionally sabotaging their season after rat-face sacked him (not unlike what they did to Marcello Lippi).

    I think he's a genius when it comes to managing clubs like Atalanta, Genoa, and the like (he also proved to be a fantastic youth coach during his time with our Primavera), but I'm not convinced that his tactics are suitable for the level that we're at now, let alone the level we want to achieve (CL glory).

    But there's absolutely no doubt that Gasp would do just about anything to get the Juve job.
     
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  14. juventino13

    juventino13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2005
    Caribbean
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    FIGC presidential candidate Damiano Tommasi says he would establish Serie A reserve teams and let them play in Italy’s third tier.

    The system is currently being used in Spain and Germany, with ‘B’ teams playing in the their respective League pyramids as opposed to specialist divisions.

    “Among my proposals, one that wouldn’t take long to implement is the establishment of reserve teams, the so-called ‘B’ teams,” the former Roma midfielder told Rai Radio.

    “It’s already been discussed in some federal documents, the idea of reserve teams replacing the Serie C teams that aren’t allowed to compete.

    “I think it’s one of the projects that we should start putting through, involving the Serie A clubs that are interested.”


    This would be a step in the right direction
     
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  15. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    He would get my vote for this proposal alone.

    Plus we do need to reduce Serie A to 18 teams. Players play too many matches now, esp. with the international comps growing.
     
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  16. Dante

    Dante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    France Football has named Mehdi Benatia as African Footballer of the Year

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Midfield General

    Jun 14, 2011
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was born in France.
     
  18. Dante

    Dante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Born and raised in France, but he represents Morocco so they can list him as being African.

    Just like they can say Giuseppe Rossi is Italian, even though he was born in the US.
     
  19. Midfield General

    Jun 14, 2011
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah I get it. You missed the point. France Football picks a French man as African player of the year when every other country in the world would have rightfully picked Salah. It's not even close.
     
  20. Dante

    Dante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't care, was just sharing the news. I wouldn't have picked him as African Footballer of the Year, I wouldn't even have him in the top 5.
     
  21. thinredline10

    thinredline10 Member+

    Juventus
    Apr 2, 2017
    Shouldnt Salah be the african player of the year... he is lighting up the EPL, last player who scored like this was Suarez. 27 goals and 8 assists is very impressive.
     
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  22. phat

    phat Viking

    Feb 13, 2006
    Montreal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    You're just mad that they're both ex Roma players. :)
     
  23. Afghan-Juventus

    Afghan-Juventus Member+

    Oct 14, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Afghanistan
    Thats crazy........
     
  24. Dante

    Dante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Salah was named APY last week, in Africa, not by France Football.
     
  25. thinredline10

    thinredline10 Member+

    Juventus
    Apr 2, 2017
    Paulo walked a catwalk for Dolce despite not being able to practice. Cant imagine this is going to go over well. Video of him being a "model" in link.

    952181748028362757 is not a valid tweet id
     

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