The Opioid Epidemic - A.K.A The Crisis of Addiction

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  1. Dr. Wankler

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    A few months ago, my wife and I were in Philadelphia (across the street from the Reading Market) and we were aggressively panhandled. The guy wanted money, but failing that, food from my bag would've been fine. Normally, I'll help a guy out with a buck or something.

    But not if he has a needle and a bag in one of his hands.
     
  2. Dr. Wankler

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    I have no way of knowing if they were addicts or not, but when I was in Rochester a couple months ago, I was hit up more frequently by panhandlers than I had been in Philadelphia, and I probably walked about 20 more miles in Philly.
     
  3. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    My aggressive Im-gonna-stick-my-foot-up-yer-ass stare to aggressive panhandlers after many years of walking around NYC usually does the trick. The mellow ones get spare change or a few bucks. And I dont really care what they spend it on.
     
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  4. Dr. Wankler

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    It usually takes me a few days to get my city stare back, though I tend to be left alone in cities because I dress way down when I go exploring: a friend of mine once said my clothes look like a prison warden gave them to me a day earlier right before they put me on a bus (which is why, when I get back to the hotel, I have my "key" out).
     
  5. russ

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    Yeah,nobody northeast of Oswego would have enough money on them at one time to make begging worthwhile.
     
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  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    My bro who's lived in semi-rural Maine for 25 years rags on NY & NJ. The traffic, the crowds, the cost, etc. When I drive to his local shopping center without fail there are 1 or 2 beggars on the corner with signs. Never see that in my suburban NJ hellhole. :D
     
  7. soccernutter

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  8. superdave

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    Yeah, that's another reason this thread is different. The gateway drug is a legal product that a very large and powerful industry controls. And pushes.
     
  9. soccernutter

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    Again, the sudden epiphany that addiction is an issue which should not be criminalized is not what I have been arguing. But this particular reason why this should not be separated out is why I'm arguing this so strongly. If we decide to strengthen drug laws v. drug manufacturers, the opioid crisis is solved, but the addiction issue is not.
     
  10. American Brummie

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    I listened to the NPR segment today on psychedelics. It was an amazing interview.

    I cannot find the clip.
     
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    #87 crazypete13, Apr 11, 2017
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    That is an oversimplification to me.

    There are numerous drug war parallels that fit here, and many that do not. Far too many substances are abused and have plenty of ramifications (or lack thereof) depending on who is using and providing.

    Alcohol is legal, and is arguably the most addictive and harmful to communities - in general there are issues like: police turning a blind eye to drunk driving by co-workers, historical racial prejudice used to criminalize cannabinoids, psychedelics and club drugs being created for party purposes, opioids being marketed and traded and addicts being abetted via varying scenarios for centuries, crack vs coke and how that affected whites vs POC, date rape drugs.

    We can hive off the discussion into a half dozen threads, but the common element is addiction, or at a more basic level: pleasure seeking. This is why I say this should be a separate thread.
     
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  13. crazypete13

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    Watched 'Orange Sunshine' on Netflix - it's about the chemists behind LSD in the 60s - it touched on some of this due to the origins of the drug used by the CIA as a truth serum, and research done in the 40s and 50s on mental health benefits.

    Would like to hear that segment.
     
  14. superdave

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    #91 soccernutter, Apr 11, 2017
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    The people who make the laws have never seemed to want to get into the details. Hell, my rep, when talking about the health care bill, said that addiction was a temporary condition and was a choice.

    That is precisely the point I'm making. Society as a whole is finally starting to come around to addiction being a permanent medical condition, an idea which is not supported by the current laws.
     
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    #93 bostonsoccermdl, Apr 14, 2017
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    Society is coming around (reducing stigma, etc,) but what do you suggest to help progress? The laws aren't enough unfortunately, and the powers that be are a bit "meh" about it ,clearly . I feel like this needs for of a scientific push (and in the meantime a sociological push). Strange how most of the progressive studies are being done out of the U.S. They aren't tied to the current "Minnesota model" (which unfortunately is the default answer despite its poor success rate) and actually are more open minded on new ways to combat the issue.
    We discuss alternatives but here is a model which I support:
    http://www.yesmagazine.org/peace-ju...-in-half-by-connecting-users-with-communities
    The Opposite of Addiction Is Connection
    This gives us an insight that goes much deeper than the need to understand addicts.

    A heroin addict has bonded with heroin because she couldn’t bond as fully with anything else.
    Professor Peter Cohen argues that human beings have a deep need to bond and form connections. It’s how we get our satisfaction. If we can’t connect with each other, we will connect with anything we can find—the whirr of a roulette wheel or the prick of a syringe. He says we should stop talking about ‘addiction’ altogether, and instead call it ‘bonding.’ A heroin addict has bonded with heroin because she couldn’t bond as fully with anything else.

    So the opposite of addiction is not sobriety. It is human connection.
     
  19. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Ahh, but there's a drug for that! I saw a corny pharmaceutical commercial...I know they all are...where some construction dude says "I got injured on the job and was prescibed an opioid. But...it backed me up. OIC - opioid induced constipation. Well ___ (wonder drug) helps me with my OIC."
     
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  20. American Brummie

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    Until they give you cancer. Pharma ads got real dark a few years back.
     
  21. superdave

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    I saw that ad. I thought it was weird, in the context of what I know about the opioid epidemic. As if there was an ad pre-legalization that helped you control the munchies when you're out partying with friends.
     
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  22. Dyvel

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    Nothing terribly glamorous about heroin in this song.

     
  23. Dyvel

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  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Yes but our marvelous pharma companies have a drug for everything. There's a condition for blind people and I'm sure it sucks - "non 24" Basically sounds like without light their sleeping patterns get messed up. I just wonder how many people this affects compared to say, boner dysfunction.
     
  25. stanger

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