News: The OMT for the 1st Ever MUFC D.O.F

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  1. JC7rox

    JC7rox Member+

    Manchester United FC, LAFC
    Jun 11, 2004
    West Coast, Cali!
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    If United ends up appointing Woodward Yessir clowns, this place is going to meltdown.
     
  2. MizzouMUFC

    MizzouMUFC Member+

    Apr 10, 2010
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    Honestly, that would be a stroke of genius by that assclown Woodward. He would appease fans by hiring a DOF but still make all the decisions and make them take a backseat to him.
     
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  3. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
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    Manchester United FC
    He head's up youth development at United I believe.

    Not sure what that has to do with Fellaini, Valencia, Young or Sanchez, etc...

    My point is I don't think you know shit about him or his philosophy. So, quit your preaching.
     
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  4. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
    Exactly
     
  5. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
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    Manchester United FC
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    Let me be clear. I don't give a ******** what his philosophy is for our middling academy when there are actual Directors of Football with brilliant records out there. I'm sorry. We don't have a savant on our books in this regard.
     
  6. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
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    People and fans in general, contrary to popular belief are not that stupid and if Woodward does hire some yes man figurehead for the DoF role, there will be a massive uproar. Problem is, as loud as it may be, it wouldn't change anything in the end...
    However as stated before, I genuinely believe that Woodward realizes the importance of this hire (especially being the first one in a brand new position) and he'll really look to get the best person possible.
     
  7. incighte

    incighte Red Card

    May 1, 2016
    Fella was a Moyes call, Val and Young were Fergie, Sanchez is the only possible Woodward purchase. So you're right. It doesn't come as fair criticism to pounce on an internal appointment while citing decisions across three different regimes.
     
  8. incighte

    incighte Red Card

    May 1, 2016
    But we've never been a club that signs big names as the primary focus of our ethos. We cultivate our own.

    Ole is the first manager to have any sort of fan-supported success. Not Mourinho, not LvG, but one of our own.

    I don't know if either are the right decisions, but I think the post-Fergie years have been wrought with one message: Bigger isn't necessarily better.
     
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  9. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
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    As I understand it, the point people are making is that by definition of being internal recruits (who currently therefore report to Woodward) and in all probability therefore also having no DoF experience, we would be clearly failing to meet some pretty basic criteria of what many of us would hope a DoF would bring.
     
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  10. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
    Lets hope we go for proven rather than recruiting and upgrading within system.
     
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  11. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

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    May 31, 2015
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    My personal expectations we will go for an established person in that position simply comes from Woodward himself, if we're being honest, as he implied we would be going for one of the best there is. And given who we are and the means at our disposal, it's a goal we should be able to accomplish.
    That being said, there are factors we need to take into consideration, especially availability and if somehow none of the top guys we are looking at don't appear to be available, then it's understandable that Woodward would be looking to go another way.
    At the end of the day, whoever gets the job will get my support initially and as long as they prove effective in their duties, it will remain so. But I do believe that being the first time in quite a while we'll be getting someone in that role, I would like to see us make a splash and go for the tried and tested for the coming years at least.
    The ultimate goal for me remains unchanged: and that is for United to follow the Bayern model where ex players from the club can end up occupying admin and executive positions with United.
     
  12. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    The search for a DoF will not be easy.

    http://www.espn.com/soccer/club/man...-a-director-of-football-will-be-far-from-easy

    Always puzzled me as to why Michael Zorc's name was never even mentioned as one of the guys we are looking at. Was always my personal choice, even before we were on the hunt for a DoF (his track record at Dortmund speaks for itself).
    Maybe he does not want to leave and that's fine then but an approach to gauge his interest couldn't hurt. We obviously could make it worth his while and eventhough, it's not always about money, but if we're to prize someone away from their current job, it is a factor that could come into play, in swaying someone our way.
     
  13. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
    Just another depressing day in our hunt for DoF ..
     
  14. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
    Some progress :/ ...

     
  15. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
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    Really good article by Rory.
     
  16. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Im not a journalist but surely the word count could be cut by 25% at least?
     
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  17. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
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    It could be, but this wasn't a 'news' piece. It was an opinion/feature type article. With those types, the journalist will get direction from his editor on how much he wants (column inches) and what his should be. There might be a negotiation over it if the reporter feels he needs more space. I enjoyed it because so many of these articles tend to just be linking names out of nowhere. He gave his opinion, but didn't hide it behind a source.
     
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  18. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    So then after reading, how do we all feel about the next window?
     
  19. MizzouMUFC

    MizzouMUFC Member+

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    I'd feel a lot better if we already had a DOF in place working with the scouting network and Ole to determine priorities and targets. But I feel confident we'll have money to spend.
     
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  20. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
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    If we are indeed determining how best to select the best fit for DoF and find out what a DoF looks like at United, I'm all for taking the time to do that.

    We are in a unique situation because we have a CEO with no football background and we lost a bunch of institutional memory and we don't currently have a manager and our last real manager was years ago and he ran the entire club practically.

    I think our next season will be a mixed bag if we don't sort out some recruitment, but I think we can expect Ole to make a fist of it, if he has a full preseason to work on ideas and fitness.
     
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  21. thenamestsam

    thenamestsam Member+

    Aug 8, 2013
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    ***Tumbleweed blows down the street***

    At best, even if we hired someone tomorrow, we'll be giving them insufficient time to prepare for the summer window.

    More likely is that we hire someone in the summer which means this summer's recruitment will be yet another Woody special which is a huge problem when we need to make a number of moves after we've effectively sat out the last two windows trying to get the manager situation sorted.

    Even more likely still is that "director of football" is just a phrase Woody utters to placate the fans whenever his seat starts to get a little warm and he has no intention of willingly ceding a position he for all intents and purposes currently holds. It seems notable that as soon as we have any kind of uptick, all the DoF talk disappears. Unless Ole really is the new SAF (and it's about 10 years at a minimum too soon to say that) we still have serious longterm structural issues at the club.
     
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  22. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
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    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
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    Manchester United FC
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    #97 Ashur, Apr 1, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2019
    The 'latest' on the DoF front (from the bookmakers perspective at least).

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ll-news/man-utd-director-of-football-16059663

    Heard the names before, but honestly don't know much about either Marcel Bout or John Murtough (the fact that Canto is at 14/1 is just lol..).

    Edit: A name that has been bandied about before and one I would be intrigued by is Jordi Cruyff. Perhaps not as sexy as others frequently mentioned, but he's got experience in the role, is an ex-player at the club and surely must have some connections with the Dutch market/pool of players.
     
  23. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
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    Manchester United FC
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  24. Pulp

    Pulp Member+

    Feb 13, 2013
    TO / CA
    I'll believe it when I see it.
     
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  25. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
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