The Official Soccer Basher Thread, Part Deux.

Discussion in 'Business and Media' started by geordienation, May 27, 2006.

  1. blackhornet

    blackhornet Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this is what ESPN does. this is what ESPN will always do. They'll care about the sport up to and including the World Cup but absent that, or until the EPL expands here, we will see what we have continued to see - mid-afternoon midweek games and early morning/afternoon weekend games.
     
  2. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    How does Martino have a job?

    The man's a clueless moron.
     
  3. tambo

    tambo Member

    Jun 9, 2007
    Wait. You just revived this thing in the "Subscribed Threads" list of probably hundreds of BigSoccer users to say that?

    Who's "Martino," and what does he have to do with soccer bashers?
     
  4. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nowhere else to put it mate...
     
  5. JJ Mindset

    JJ Mindset Member

    Dec 7, 2000
  6. blackhornet

    blackhornet Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. JJ Mindset

    JJ Mindset Member

    Dec 7, 2000
    http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/07/22/2326816/a-double-take-and-change-of-heart.html#ixzz1SzcvihMV

    Not really bashing but more of an example of a lament from one of the old guard sportswriters from that area.
     
  8. Barcasox

    Barcasox Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Club:
    Athletic Club Bilbao
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    whoah, the guy remembers the American Soccer League?

    Must be a huge soccer fan :)

    Up there with the guys who watch the exciting MSL
     
  9. blackhornet

    blackhornet Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dec-20-2011 Wall Street Journal published this half-page article by British transplant Gerard Baker:

    "The shameful truth is this. I like football better than soccer. ...
    "In its energy and complexity, football captures the spirit of America better than any other cultural creation on this continent, and I don't mean because it features long breaks in which advertisers get to sell beer and treatments for erectile dysfunction. It sits at the intersection of pioneering aggression and impossibly complex strategic planning. It is a collision of Hobbes and Locke; violent, primal force tempered by the most complex set of rules, regulations, procedures and systems ever conceived in an athletic framework.

    Soccer is called the beautiful game. But football is chess, played with real pieces that try to knock each other's brains out. It doesn't get any more beautiful than that."


    don't know how long this article is available to non-subscribers:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204791104577108782771826106.html
     
  11. vmax71

    vmax71 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 11, 2002
    high desert
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Hard to argue with the bolded part.
     
  12. 96Squig

    96Squig Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    Hanover
    Club:
    Hannover 96
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Sorry, the beauty of soccer vs american football is highly subjective, especially if one defines that something encompassing American values is by definition beautiful (which seems like stretch to me, but whatever). If American Football would be so beautiful, and beauty a general value available to most humans, the game would be more popular world wide (and I say that as someone who enjoys watching the super bowl)
     
    spatz repped this.
  13. blackhornet

    blackhornet Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    hence this part: "football captures the spirit of America better than any other cultural creation on this continent"
     
  14. 96Squig

    96Squig Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    Hanover
    Club:
    Hannover 96
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    The last sentence relativates that sentence massively the way I read it. The author turns what is essentially a subjective statement into a grammatically objective one.
     
  15. vmax71

    vmax71 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 11, 2002
    high desert
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As someone who LOVES soccer, FIFA has made the unthinkable happen for me: make me not like the sport as much.

    This is the first year in 10 years that I don't surf FIFA.com and and big soccer everyday. I am tired to seeing all the crap that is happening with FIFA, UEFA, CONCACAF, etc..

    depressing if you ask me.
     
  16. tottsBALEout

    tottsBALEout New Member

    Dec 22, 2011
    bro, you can't let fifa bring you away from soccer...

    that would be like the president making you hate America...

    Everything is the same. There's just a bad governing body...
     
  17. Barcasox

    Barcasox Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Club:
    Athletic Club Bilbao
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    bro don't surf fifa.com

    there's some funny, interesting, human interest pieces all over if you look for it. Maybed search for articles on tiny island nations on fifa.com, then look elsewhere.
     
  18. JJ Mindset

    JJ Mindset Member

    Dec 7, 2000
  19. bigtw64

    bigtw64 Member

    Aug 16, 2003
    florida
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I guess he got tired of his TV show being pre-empted by international soccer matches!
     
  20. blackhornet

    blackhornet Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah - his "TV godfather" Mark Shapiro left ESPN and was involved in this deal with Viacom. It's a pretty good deal for him - he wasn't a fit for the ESPN automaton lineup and the Showtime and CBS contributor angles are something ESPN didn't afford him. It's kinda like the Champions League rights on Fox - mostly on channels with lower distribution but no threat of ESPN scheduling crapfests and visibility on a mostly movie channel and the broadcast network.

    Wonder if Jim Everett is a footy fan :)
     
  21. Tom_Heywood

    Tom_Heywood New Member

    Jan 7, 2012
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Wales
    But the Superbowl final is utterly crap, with its advert breaks every 10 seconds, crap concert in the middle and all the rest of the nonsense. And it is hard to take any sport that has men in multi coloured leggings that seriously. As for saying complex strategy etc. is part of the American way, he obviously has not seen any of your politicians in an election battle.

    American football is alright if it is a run of the mill league game, but, probably because I am British, I find football (soccer), rugby league and union much more interesting, and test cricket as strategic and absorbing in a more thoughtful way.

    A lot of the abuse football (soccer) gets over there is because it is 'foreign' (like Baseball), has been loved by ethnic minorities, and these journalists are simply pig headed about new experiences. I'd probably like baseball if I ever went to a game over there with a fan who explained it to me.
     
  22. blackhornet

    blackhornet Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I always wondered if Rugby could take off being so similar to football (gridiron). But like football (soccer) it also doesn't have TV timeouts.
     
  23. TheLincolnKing

    Dec 15, 2011
    ATL
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rugby has no shot with us at all.

    1. At this point, we DO have a fairly established history with soccer. We may not be a primary world power, but everyone knows USA in 2012 is somewhere in the mix.

    2. WE PLAY SOCCER. Again, It might not be number one, but its got an audience, and kids have been playing it since the 80's in numbers. Its played in High School and College, and we have stars like Clint Dempsey etc. and we have the MLS. All different minority groups in the USA play soccer, Mexicans etc. Mexicans dont play Rugby.

    3. Soccer is a completely different sport from Football. There is an ever increasing amount of young Americans who LOVE BOTH SOCCER AND FOOTBALL. People have to realize its not mutually exclusive. Lots of people love them both! Rugby is just too close to Football that we have to compare it and come to the conclusion, its just not our game.

    4. Rugby is only played at the club and intramural level with no spectators, no scholarships, etc. at colleges that dont have the money to field Football teams. Its purely recreational.

    5. Football has bigger hitting and more exciting plays. Rugby to us is like a bad compromise between Soccer and Football. The similarities to Football are actually what kills it from our consideration.

    Just my opinion: Love Soccer, Love Football, Rugby does nothing for me at all.
     
  24. vmax71

    vmax71 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 11, 2002
    high desert
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this
     

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