The Next Five MLS Expansion Cities Will Be... (2017 Edition)

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The Next Five MLS Expansion Cities Will Be....

  1. Charlotte

    19 vote(s)
    15.2%
  2. Cincinnati

    75 vote(s)
    60.0%
  3. Detroit

    47 vote(s)
    37.6%
  4. Miami

    60 vote(s)
    48.0%
  5. Nashville

    12 vote(s)
    9.6%
  6. Raleigh/Durham

    13 vote(s)
    10.4%
  7. Sacramento

    100 vote(s)
    80.0%
  8. San Antonio

    56 vote(s)
    44.8%
  9. San Diego

    44 vote(s)
    35.2%
  10. St. Louis

    73 vote(s)
    58.4%
  11. Tampa/St. Petersburg

    35 vote(s)
    28.0%
  12. Other

    17 vote(s)
    13.6%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. UCFWayne

    UCFWayne Member

    United States
    Apr 22, 2014
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry, but that law, whether it stays in place or not has no bearing on if Charlotte/Raleigh get a MLS team.

    We are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars here. That law wont even come up in a board meeting.
     
  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah...a Canadian city, maybe Quebec City, was kicking the tires.
     
  3. flippin269

    flippin269 Member+

    Aug 3, 2003
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Veeeeeery interesting. Gonna pay closer attention to that story
     
  4. flippin269

    flippin269 Member+

    Aug 3, 2003
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't see that law, or any laws, preventing expansion. If anything, it would probably be a deterrent from hosting the All-Star Game based off of what we've seen in other sports leagues there
     
  5. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't underestimate the feelings and wishes of League Sponsors and media partners........Money talks. The league's sponsors and partners do have a say in the league's expansion. They won't make the final decision, but their input will be heard and taken into consideration assuredly.

    Also the league will take into account where players would be more willing to go. The main reasons for 2 teams in NY and LA? Media presence and the fact that most of the big name stars want to play and live in those markets.

    Out of all of the expansion candidate cities, San Diego and Miami I would reckon have the highest desirability as a place to live. Yes, I'm sure the quality of life in Sacramento, Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, Tampa-St Pete, Nashville, & San Antonio is excellent. I'm willing to venture that many players outside of the US have no idea where those cities are located or have heard of them. Hell there are a lot of folks in our great country who wouldn't be able to locate those cities on a map!

    We might not agree with or like this point, but it does and will have a factor (big or small) in where the next expansion teams are located.
     
  6. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I'd love to see some of those player surveys in how much foreign players take into account the destination city. I'm sure it's a big deal for the big names like Beckham, Henry, etc. For the middle tier guys we've been seeing more and more of lately, i'd imagine it's not quite the same draw that we some times seem to thing it is.

    Of course the opposite is also true, some of these guys haven't been able to walk down the street without being harassed their entire adult lives, the idea of an out of the way, quite place really appeals to them.
     
  7. flippin269

    flippin269 Member+

    Aug 3, 2003
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    I cast one vote for other being Phoenix. Why it's not listed here is beyond me.

    My other four are:
    Miami (eventually)
    Sacramento
    Cincinnati
    Detroit
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Young Boys of Boise

    I hope there are nets behind the goals.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USL Stadium - cap 5,000 (2016 average att. at Scottsdale stadium: 1,470)
    [​IMG]
    Expandable to 20,000+, climate controlled stadium and soccer complex accessible by light rail.
    [​IMG]
    "Phoenix Rising FC's bid included letters of support from more than 45 political and business leaders from the Phoenix area and an impressive plan to privately fund and build a new, climate-controlled, soccer-specific MLS stadium on the 45 acre site recently put under contract by the Club with the Solanna Group, a real estate development company within the Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community." link

    They've signed Sean Wright-Phillips and Jordan Stewart (Leicester and Watford), so they're showing ambition.
     
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  11. tallguy

    tallguy Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    MoCoLand, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not a bad guesstimate except for Miami. I think that if you add San Diego and Tampa Bay to your other choices of Sacramento, Phoenix, Cincinnati & Detroit and you've got your finalists for expansion teams no. 24, 25, 26, 27 & 28. Detroit & Phoenix don't seem to be quite as ready as the other candidates for selections 25 & 26, but they should be ready as MLS adds teams 27 & 28. Oh, and I guess that Tampa Bay slides into Miami's slot for expansion team no. 24 and that Sacramento is almost certain to get slot no. 25, leaving Cincinnati as the favorite for slot no. 26. Miami gets left out in the cold.
     
  12. matbluvenger

    matbluvenger Member+

    Reno 1868
    United States
    Aug 2, 2010
    Reno, NV
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That stadium rendering! It looks simple enough that you wouldn't expect them to have to downgrade along the development process, but the way it's designed to flow with the landscape is a really nice touch
     
  13. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    #114 Unak78, Feb 25, 2017
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2017
    Much as Miami's bid is in the mud, they have an agreement with Beckham that he get's to own a team. So the only way Miami changes is if they can convince Beckham to go somewhere else, and caveat that with the fact that in doing so they also have to somewhat keep their golden boy from losing face. He's still their biggest face in promoting the growth of the sport here and they don't want it to seem like he couldn't get it done. So one of the next 5 spots will be his and if they turn him away from Miami, then my guess is that it will be for an even bigger coup like Las Vegas. The only way for him and MLS to save face on failing in Miami would be to make a splash in Las Vegas.

    San Diego probably doesn't go in at all in the next 5 if Sacremento goes in and likely the same vice-versa. The other will likely have to wait for 28-32. Why? First off, they will be oversaturated in California, and the stated goal is still expanding the footprint. Maybe San Diego fans aren't all Galaxy fans and maybe Sac fans don't watch San Jose, but Pheonix definitely brings you a new region and helps close the ratings gap with NHL (220k per match avg to 350k per match for NHL roughly based on what I remember reading). Vegas and Miami do that. Hell you could even go with St Louis if they get something together and put them in the Western Conference a la SKC.

    As much as MLS likes to award franchises to city's who've lost other sports and possibly wrest San Diego away from CD TJ, the reality is that Sacremento is far more along the path than any other applicant despite their recent mixup. San Diego is more of a fight (with an established club in TJ who has more money and will buy plenty of MLS players who show promise and play for the USMNT in order to keep pulling SD soccer fan's interest) than they need right now. MLS needs a more certain and immediate return on investment. SD could work and add a major market or it could become a bit more of a project as you try to push TJ out of that market. Sac is a more sure thing as far as that goes since the Republic already own that market. So I don't really think that San Diego gets in at all until the next round of expansion.
     
  14. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member+

    Nov 13, 2014
    Bakersfield, CA
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Las Vegas isn't on Miami's level. It's not even close.
     
  15. flippin269

    flippin269 Member+

    Aug 3, 2003
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    St. Louis at the moment looks like they are now at the bottom of the pack
     
  16. scott47a

    scott47a Member+

    Seattle Sounders FC; Arsenal FC
    Feb 6, 2007
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I changed my responses after St. Louis vote
    Miami
    Sacramento
    San Diego
    San Antonio
    and Tampa
     
  17. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, after St. Louis vote goes down, I'll change my mind:

    1. Tampa (taking over for Miami) (#14 media market)
    2. Sacramento (furthest along) (#20 media market)
    3. Cincinnati (#35)
    4. Detroit (#11)
    5. Miami (#15)
    ------------------------------------
    29-32: San Diego (#28), Phoenix (#13), San Antonio (#36), + 1 more of St. Louis/Ralieh/Charlotte/Nashville.
     
  18. UCFWayne

    UCFWayne Member

    United States
    Apr 22, 2014
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would change #5 to San Diego
     
  19. flippin269

    flippin269 Member+

    Aug 3, 2003
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  20. UCFWayne

    UCFWayne Member

    United States
    Apr 22, 2014
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think its cool that Louisville is creating their own SSS at the USL level. However, with Indy putting in a MLS bid and Cinci doing the same with amazing attendance, they have no chance at MLS.
     
  21. matbluvenger

    matbluvenger Member+

    Reno 1868
    United States
    Aug 2, 2010
    Reno, NV
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    These are the types of plans I like to see. Go big for an MLS expansion but still leave yourself with something quality if you don't get the spot
     
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  22. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't remember Louisville being one of the 12 that submitted a bid ...
     
  23. Dan Kohner

    Dan Kohner Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2017
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    If I hear about Sacramento one more time I think I will throw up. From day one they became a club all I have heard out of their mouths is MLS. Why don't they worry about being a team first and MLS second. The reason they even have an USL team is to better their chances of landing an MLS team.
     
  24. Dan Kohner

    Dan Kohner Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2017
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders

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