The New Political Cartoon Thread (Now with Memes)

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Mel Brennan, Oct 5, 2006.

  1. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
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    Looks like a cross between Uncle Vladdy and Francois Mitterand. You know, that guy who told a Montreal morning DJ who was pretending to be Jacques Chirac while interviewing Sarah Palin, that he "really admired" her, even though he had been dead for like 15 years.
     
  2. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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  3. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    It's hard to believe those polls that say most Americans are satisfied with their healthcare coverage. I think people like their doctors, but don't like to "do" insurance. Tell people they can keep going to the same doctors and never have to mess with insurance companies again - I think that would be pretty popular.
     
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  4. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    Vanuatu
    Healthcare coverage is a lot like any other insurance. It's OK unless you get sick or injured. When I was injured my insurance provider did some stupid shit but so did one of the hospitals. The only part of the healthcare experience that was flawless was the paramedics.
     
  5. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
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  6. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    Spinal cord contusion playing soccer. It laid me up for 2 weeks.
     
  7. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
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    Is that fancy talk for "I f***ed my back?"
     
  8. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    It's really a fancy word for bruise.
     
  9. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Some evil entity morphed Trump and Mr. Bean.

     
  10. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Near the mountains.
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  11. ceezmad

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    But would they believe it again?

    Lots of unfair negative PR was created against Obama due to that promise.

    I am not sure how much is doctors vs how it is paid.

    Paperwork may be the unpopular thing.

    https://www.ahip.org/majority-of-am...their-employers-health-plan-new-survey-shows/

    A bias source, I think they lobby for insurance companies.
     
  12. flowergirl

    flowergirl Member+

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    Your employer based healthcare coverage has to be super shitty for you to not like it, because really, what are the alternatives? Buying your own is expensive (I would know :(), and most people aren't going to pick their job based on the deductibles or percentage portion of their health insurance.
     
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  13. dapip

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    South Florida
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    I don't think the polls are biased, only that they're asking for comparisons that for most people are not feasible. IOW, you are stuck with what one or two providers if you get your coverage from your employer, and as few as one if you get your coverage in the market place. You are for the most part comparing oranges with what you have heard people say about apples.

    Furthermore, most of your adult life you've heard that Canadian apples are horrible and that it would be un-American to get British pears or French grapes. So I guess that, unless you get a really dirty rotten orange, your orange is OK, except for what they cost, and all the people that you have to contact if you need a Valencian orange, or if you are required to have orange juice that is not from concentrate.
     
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  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    I think it is priced on the decision, I would not take a job that paid a smaller percentage of my Insurance unless they gave me a big pay raise, they also better give me at least 15 days of vacation.

    I do think the 71% number may be inflated by fear of the different/change.

    That is something that will be played out in campaigns and has to be contended against by the medicare for all politicians.
     
  15. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    I hear ya re Obama. But don't pretty much all doctors take medicare? So if my employer stops offering coverage (because I can get medicare) I would probably still be able to see the same doctor. It's not like there are two sets of doctors in the country.

    I wonder how doctors would feel about dealing with just medicare instead of 20 different insurance companies? Easier for them, but I suppose the fear is that medicare would pay them less than private insurance.
     
  16. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
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    It's anecdotal, but many of the people I know who do medical billing much prefer dealing with Medicare because the paperwork is simpler and more direct. Dealing with insurance companies is a hassle, and at least a doctor's office is guaranteed to get paid by Medicare than with the runaround that some insurance companies can provide. It's one of the main reasons why almost every doctor accepts Medicare: ease of billing and getting paid on time.
     
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  17. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    Blasphemy!!! The private sector is always more efficient and responsive to the market forces!!
     
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  18. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    anecdotal is not statistical.

    close on regular medicare. More complicated with specialist.

    This is from 2016

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    https://www.mdmag.com/physicians-mo...caid-participation-rates-for-doctors-by-state

    This is from 2012.
    https://www.medicareresources.org/faqs/will-all-doctors-accept-my-medicare-card/
     
  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

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  20. flowergirl

    flowergirl Member+

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    I was a medical biller. Everything you said is true. You may get paid a little less by Medicare, but it's consistent, dependable, and unless you really screw something up, they almost never deny anything. Even the appeals process is easier. Not that you have to use it that much.
     
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  21. flowergirl

    flowergirl Member+

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    I'm betting most doctors who opt out of Medicare don't have a patient base that is elderly. Like gynecologists. They can afford to not take it because most of their patients are young. I would bet most pediatricians don't take it either.
     
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  22. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    Chicago
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    For sure if your patients skew older, medicare is the only game in town, so you have to take them.
     
  23. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    Chicago
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    BTW, I just remembered, savings on administrating payments is something else that the Sanders plan got fact checked on, I think it got a misleading.

    Lots of medicare fraud control piggybacks on the social security system, so if you are collecting social security, you are probably alive and someone going to the doctor with your medicare is ok.

    This is perfect for seniors that collect both social security and medicare.

    But if you open up medicare for all, even those not collecting social security you have to expand your fraud protections, because Social security will not hep you there.

    Medicaid already has some of these controls, so it would be about taking the Medicaid system and scaling it up to cover non seniors covered by medicare for all.
     
  24. flowergirl

    flowergirl Member+

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    All those people that work for the insurance companies can be on fraud detail for Medicare. :)
     
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  25. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    South Florida
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    Also, how much is the amount of fraud to medicare per year? Is it significant enough to get worried about it? Let me get Rick Scott on the phone.
     

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