The MLS Stadium Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by fairfax4dc, May 20, 2016.

  1. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OTOH his contention that the Austin Toxic Waste Stadium includes zero public funds ignores the value of the land they are handing over, and millions of dollars in improvements.

    But hes happy to call City of Columbus commit.ents to surrounding infrastructure - NOT the stadium or the land - as public money being spent on the stadium itself.

    In fact, most of the money ($45million or so) is going to the body governing the adjoining development.

    Now Austin can claim that their slight of hand deal where Fratboi borrows the money to build a stadium ( from Chase Bank) and then " gives" the stadium to the city and pays rent while Austin makes the loan payments and the team thereby avoids paying any taxes means, in essence " o public funds" but it's nothing short of a lie

    The deal will cost Austin plenty.

    This guys numbers are whack.
     
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  2. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    Selfishly wish the Caps stayed in that thing. Games looked more like a soccer game.
     
  3. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Thanks for the update.
    Now go back to the past and sign a few Polish players and see if the good olde days return :D
     
  4. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nothing is going to change as long as these three (Hauptman, Rodriquez and Paunovic) assholes are still involved with the team. The cancer and the rot of this team must be cut out.
     
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  5. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And you need 3.

    I live in Columbus. There is zero chance that stadium does not start soon. They are building a permanent (not just gameday) store on the stadium site (writ large), construction of which is suppossed to start this month.

    Downtown Commission meeting is apparently 9/24, and we should get stadium porn/designs for that. If not, then that is a red flag & 10/10 start likely does not happen.

    I forgot the link, but Sac says the are OK to go on the stadium as soon as they are in.

    https://www.sacbee.com/sports/mls/article234750677.html

    While I think 4 is the most likely outcome (again, not counting Miami's temp stadium, which I am not certain is valid), I think at least 4 is still a near certainty unless Sac does not happen.

    Hell, Sac could start before Columbus.
     
  6. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    How much of a share does Hauptman have now that he sold his controlling interest?
     
  7. MuchoTakeItEasy

    MuchoTakeItEasy Member+

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Press release says Mansueto is the "sole owner"
     
  8. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    C'mon... you don't expect me to read the entire sentence, do you?:oops:
    Seriously, was the second part of that sentence added after the initial release?:cautious:
     
  9. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    #3009 NashSC, Sep 13, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2019
    I feel very confident Sacramento will not be under construction in the 2019 calendar. I have never seen any stadium start that fast after being awarded a team.
    I am impressed that there are 3.5 months to go and only 2 under construction and you are still confident. That is impressive and applaudable. :)

    We both thought Nashville was a foregone conclusion to start and look where they are.

    In all reality I gave you Austin a little quick as they are still just doing site prep, but unless something insane happens they will be under construction shortly. Hopefully they don't find some ancient burial ground or dinosaur bones.
     
  10. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Well Hauptman is out now, so 1 down.
    Is is possible Paunovic could do better with better players? New owner spending a bit more?
    Or he is simply not the right coach. Did he ever or does the team play a style he created, or the problem is a lack of style?
    Don't know enough about Rodriguez. Was he simply following Haupmans plans and once again, could he do better or differently under a new owner?
    Just curious because you really don't hear much out my way about the Fire or for that matter, see the Fire much on TV.

    Side question, can Soldier be "downsized" decently or creatively ?
    Side question #2. Do the Red Stars stay at Bridgeview?
     
  11. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    1. SF isn't the worst event for smaller crowds because the lower bowl is fairly small and the way the sideline upper decks are stacked, you don't notice the emptiness of them much, though the end line 200 and 300 level seats are kind of glaring when they're empty.

    2. Red Stars are still there. Sadly they don't really have better options.
     
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  12. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The players weren't the problem, we actually have a decent roster and it would have been a great roster only if NRod did his job and went out and got 2-3 defenders and a keeper. He KNEW that we needed defenders and a keeper and yet he didn't do anything about it.

    Rodriguez guided three teams into the ground.

    1. 1999 Metrostars 7-0-25 32 goals 64 goals against (-32 GD) Wooden Spoon and the worst PPG (0.47) in league history.
    2. 2005 Chivas USA 9-6-19 29 goals 61 goals against (-32 GD)
    3. 2016 Chicago Fire 7-10-17 42 goals 58 goals against (-16 GD) Wooden Spoon

    Yes, I pretty sure they'll just have the 100 and 200 sections opened, if there is more demand than the 300 level along the sidelines. I think the capacity for 100 and 200 levels is in the 22k range, you add the 300 level it's around 25k.

    Yes the Red Stars are staying.
     
  13. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Fire already spend more than 2/3 of the league on their players. Katai, Gaitan, Schweinsteiger, Nikolic, Frankowski, McCarty, Sapong aren't exactly average to below average talents....
     
  14. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    He got Ousted who has at least been serviceable the last few years. Prior to the May window closing he got a starting keeper from the German Second Division, Marcelo (who was starting in Liga NOS for the 5th place team in 17/18), and Calvo (who has been decent to good in MLS, though he has been a mainstay on bad Minnesota defenses). He did go out and get a defensive players even with a restriction on international slots (Kronholm and Calvo don't count as internationals). Now, the history of Liga NOS players in MLS was a red flag for me from the get-go with Marcelo (and he basically hasn't played since the end of April) and Calvo is better at the international level than club level.

    Despite that they are the 6th best defense in the East and have a +1 GD. Problem has been individual things, like that 17 game stretch where Nikolic couldn't score (3 goals in 2 games) and lost his starting spot. Or like Katai is way down on goals this year (4 vs 12). They are actually better this year in goals for and much better in goals against versus last year (they are down .35 GA vs last year). However, their offense has either been really good or non-existent. 19 games this year they have 1 or fewer goals with a 2-10-7 record. The defense has only given up 3 or more goals 5 times For reference, NYRB have given up 3+ six times and have conceded 1 more goal in 1 less game but have only 14 games they scored 1 or fewer. So that has left NYRB sitting 7 points clear of Chicago with a game in hand despite having basically the same offensive and defensive numbers.
     
  15. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Holding the caretaker last season of Chivas USA against Rodriguez is weak sauce. Just sayin'.
     
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  16. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Columbus groundbreaking: Oct. 10.

     
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  18. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Love the emphasis on all being welcome. Nice subtle dig at Austin. (Pun intended).
     
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  19. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    How to do it when you aren’t afraid of exposing your lack of support.
     
  20. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    That was a waste of my time.

    "Wow, there's some different colored dirt here, some pipes have disappeared, and I know nothing about construction. Anyone know what any of this means? Some Jamaican guy that might've played soccer for Jamaica stopped by and was pretty excited. Thanks, and we'll check back in next week. Hope you survive the storm!"
     
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  21. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    This is off topic a little but (not anymore than your post), I am going to say it anyway.

    I find it funny that Austin went silent about their 30k deposits pretty much after that one day. Atlanta talked about their amazing deposit numbers constantly (and they should have). It really makes me even more suspicious of the numbers Austin released. I was skeptical of them all along, but seems them and MLS should be shouting this from the rooftops continually if it was accurate.

    Maybe I am missing it and they are still talking about those numbers all the time. I just haven't seen it. If they were going to make it up, I just don't understand why they went with such an outlandish number as 30k (or whatever) in 3 hours (or whatever).
     
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  22. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    AFC received both a lot of mockery and requests for clarification of what they were claiming. At one end of the scale they may have simply been saying they had a couple of thousand deposit requests for full season seats so at 17 games per request added up to 35K seats. Or maybe it's better than that since each deposit was good for up to 8 seats, they had 3750 or more deposits. Or maybe they received requests for 35K seats via deposits most specifying fewer than 8 seats per deposit and they had 10-15K individual deposits accounting for requests for 35K full season seats.

    If they expand the stadium or announce pretty aggressive prices, then they likely achieved good sales. The fact they are still selling and have stopped talking about it suggests a more modest achievement.
     
  23. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    Exactly my point.
     
  24. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you looked (and it seems you didn't), they did pour the concrete for the foundations and are starting to put stuff in the ground.

    Is it a ton? No. But considering they just started and seem to be dodging hurricanes every week, I thought it was significant progress.

    One can only lead the horse to water.
     
  25. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I was referring to the video, not the construction.
     

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