The "Messi: the best player in the world. Is it even up for discussion?" thread

Discussion in 'Barcelona' started by jfcule, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. JoCryuff98

    JoCryuff98 Member+

    Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
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    #5451 JoCryuff98, Dec 9, 2019
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2019
    Messi’s first touch>>Maradona. Messi is literally superior to Maradona in every possible manner. Maradona relied more on his pace and strength than Messi did. Even after losing his peak level athleticism, Messi is still a GOAT tier dribbler.
     
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  2. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Messi"s dribbling>>>Maradona's dribbling
    But when it comes to first touch,Maradona is slightly better,probably the best in history
     
  3. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    btw where did you get messi's dribble stats at 2010 world cup?
    I check the opta data from bigsoccer forum but it only has duel won stats.
     
  4. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    There was a Opta data spreadsheet in circulation back in the day, Messi had the most, 34 successful dribbles in WC10.
     
  5. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  6. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messi won't catch that damn statpadder in CL goals.

    Just had a quick look since 2013-2014 CL in Matchday 6.

    2013-2014: Madrid already clinched the group. Ronaldo plays 90 min against Copenhagen and has 1 goal.

    2014-2015: Madrid already clinched the group. Ronaldo plays 90 min against Ludogoretz and has 1 goal with 1 assist.

    2015-2016: Madrid already clinched the group. Ronaldo plays 90 min against Malmo FF and has 4 goals with 1 assist.

    2016-2017: Madrid is in 2nd place and could actually get to 1st place by beating Dortmund in the final match. Ronaldo plays 90 min against Dortmund and does nothing in a 2-2 draw.

    2017-2018: Madrid clinched second place in the group and couldn't move up. Ronaldo plays 90 min against Dortmund and has 1 goal.

    2018-2019: Juve is in 1st place but could actually drop to 2nd if they lose. Ronaldo plays 90 minutes against Young Boys and has 1 assist in a 1-2 loss.

    2019-2020: Juve already clinched the group. Ronaldo plays 90 min against Leverkusen and has 1 goal.

    All in all, the man played five meaningless matches in Matchday 6 since 2013-2014 and in those matches registered 8 goals and 2 assists. I'm sure he had a few more earlier in his career.
     
  7. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    why not? if messi is clutch like last season,he will score like 6-7 goals in ko round and if other teams know how to defend against ronaldo's header,he will finish.
    messi has more years left to play at ucl,he will reach the top soon
     
  8. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Adidas: End of the debate. Love it:ROFLMAO:
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  9. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    I don't think many people realize just how great Messi is. And that's ok. Us Barca fans see him in every match and boy are we glad we have him!
     
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  10. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    699 career goals. Good goal scorer is lucky to score 5 goals outside of the box in a season, last 4/5 goals:

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  11. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    if a player scores one of these goals,it will be their career's best highlight.
    Messi makes it so easy,every week
     
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  12. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    In this Decade:

    Most Goals: #Messi
    Most Assist: #Messi
    Most chances created: #Messi
    Most dribbles: #Messi
    Most free kicks: #Messi
    Most Goals from outside: #Messi
    Most Ballon d'Ors: #Messi
    Most Golden Boots: #Messi
    Most FIFA Best Awards: #Messi
     

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  13. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    God of decade
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  14. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Which is the best dribbling season of Messi? I think it probably is 2007-2008 season or 2010-2011. Remember when he had 18 successful dribbles in one game vs Huelva during 2007-2008 season.
    And messi is the very best dribbler even in his younger days. Remember the match agains Osasuna in 2005 when he completed 11 dribbles,at 17 years old. Not even Maradona was as good as Messi.
    No wonder Ronaldinho,even at his peak,once said he is not even the best player at Barca,it is Messi.
     
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  15. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
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    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
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    Statistically it's 14-15, and even though 10-11 is close and he scored a Goal of the Century in both, I would say Messi had less space and time in 14-15. Also he's currently on pace of beating even 14-15 depending how far we go in cl.

    Messi's successful dribbles in Liga and CL

    09-10 201
    10-11 264
    11-12 222
    12-13 143
    13-14 168
    14-15 267
    15-16 151
    16-17 154
    17-18 222
    18-19 169
    19-20 projected 244-275
     
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  16. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Casually creates 1on1 from own half.

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  17. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
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    Chelsea LFC
    that is brillant play from messi and i dont think anyone can do that. But lets be honest here, he had a quite average game. Probably he just returned from vacation.
     
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  18. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Stats could never really tell Messi true contribution. For intense, he had no goal or assist in 2015 CL final but all goal started from his pass, dribbles and shot .
     
  19. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yeah and I think he dribbled more players than other Barca players combined and the whole Juventus team. Iniesta winning the MoM was kind of a joke, and just shows how Messi opposite Uefa was, and actually has been these years.
     
  20. Bada Bing

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    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #5470 Bada Bing, Jan 6, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2020
    14-15 CL Final Successful Dribbles

    10 Messi
    7 Juventus
    4 Barcelona

    10-11 CL Final Successful Dribbles

    10 Messi
    6 Manchester United
    3 Barcelona

    :confused:
     
  21. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yea, they intentionally made somebody else wins the individual awards to make it look more competitive. If its really based on individual stats, he'd won it everytime.
     
  22. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Iniesta played very well, Messi was better that match though. He completed 10 dribbles,less than both team combined just 1 (11)
     
  23. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Youngest ever to reach 700 career goals at 32.6, beating Pele by 5 months (32.11).
     
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  24. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    incredible performance from Messi but our current team is just getting worse and worse.
     
  25. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Its starting to looks like Argentina team which basically frontloaded... can score goals but would conceided as many or more. Valverde never looks like a winner even when we win.
     
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