The "Messi: the best player in the world. Is it even up for discussion?" thread

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  1. afar

    afar Member+

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    Also, whether you agree with it or not, Messi is the only player in history to win Player of the Tournament in every single FIFA tournament.

    World Cup
    Copa America
    World Youth Cup
    World Club Cup
    Olympics
     
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  2. puyol

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  3. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Feb 28, 2005
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    I don't think Olympics is a FIFA tournament.
     
  4. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

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    Doesn't FIFA organize the qualifying phase, much like FIBA does with basketball, IAAF does with athletics, etc?
    At the very least there's some kind of understanding/agreement between FIFA and the IOC that the Olympic football finals are in effect an U-23 tournament (FIFA) with each team allowed to include three over-23 players (IOC).

    Just checked. On their website FIFA does list Olympic football as one of its tournaments.
    'https://www.fifa.com/fifa-tournaments/']Olympic Football Regulations
     
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  5. puyol

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  6. Bada Bing

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    #4681 Bada Bing, Dec 19, 2018
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    I don't think Olympic football hand the official best player titles. Nevertheless Messi is the only one with all four. Multiple winners:

    Multiple Best Player winners in FIFA tournaments

    Messi WC14 CA15 WCu05 CWC09/11
    Ronaldo WC98 CA97 IC02
    Jose Nasazzi WC30 CA23/35
    Pele WC70 CA59-1
    Zidane WC06 EU00
    Maradona WC86 WCu79
    Luis Suarez CA11 CWC15
    Manuel Seoane CA25/27
    Enzo Francescoli CA83/95

    WC since 1930
    CA/EU since 1916/1996
    WCu20 since 1977
    IC/CWC since 1980

    Messi is the only one with all four titles.
     
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  7. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

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    messi should have won ca2016 mvp. dont know why sanchez got it
     
  8. Bada Bing

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    They probably didn't want the same happen than in CA15 when Messi refused.
     
  9. afar

    afar Member+

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    From what I read at the time, Messi did win the 2016 CA one as well, but he refused and it went to Sanchez.

    Or maybe I am confusing it with the 2015 one. Anyhow, doesn’t matter.

    On a side note, Messi apparently gifted 30 of his signed shirts to the Croatian NT for their WC run — per Vida.
     
  10. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

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    Messi only refused CA15. Although I dislike how they handled the CA16 MVP. Before final Messi had three MoM's (most in the tournament) and Sanchez had zero (although he was good throughout). Messi was better in the final, and somehow they started carving Sanchez name on the trophy after it. I was like. :cautious:
     
  11. Bada Bing

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    First and probably the only one to hit 50 goals this year, although you never can count Modric out.

    Messi has now scored at least 40 goals per year for a decade.

    2009 - 41 goals
    2010 - 60 goals
    2011 - 59 goals
    2012 - 91 goals (WR)
    2013 - 45 goals
    2014 - 58 goals
    2015 - 52 goals
    2016 - 59 goals
    2017 - 54 goals
    2018 - 50 goals (one game left)
     
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  12. Rattlehead

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    Messi had 5 goals + 4 assists in 5 games in CA 2016. More dominant than Riquelme in CA 2007 and Maradona in WC 1986.
     
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  13. Rattlehead

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    I dont even remember Sanchez actually played in that game.
     
  14. Bada Bing

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    Because there's was a risk of Messi refusal, their gameplan was to give it to Messi if Argentina won, and to a random Chilean if Argentina lost. Nothing to do with actual performances, which is silly.
     
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  15. Rattlehead

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    Just like Balon, its not based on merit but not on statistic either. Then again, if Messi once refused it I dont think he actually care the award.
     
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  16. Bada Bing

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    I think he did it because of the undeserved backlash of the WC14 Golden Ball, which I understand. But I think it still was a mistake and he should've accepted it for his fans, which all wanted him to have it. And maybe he would now have two of them. It's all more silly for the fact that most had no problem of Modric winning WC18 Golden Ball, even though it was nowhere near Messi WC14 performance.
     
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  17. Rattlehead

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    Griezmann should have won it but none of the France player in the top 3. Now if its Benzema instead of Griezmann then he would have won it cause that white team has big influence.

    Also, everyone is using a very different standard when they rate Messi performance.
     
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  18. Bada Bing

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    Without doing full comparison I feel that Hazard was easily the best player of WC18. He was also first on whoscored statistics which is usually a good indicator. Speaking of which, just checked that Modric was 26th with pretty much behind every competitor. So Modric did a full sweep, Golden Ball, Uefa Ball and Ballon d'Or, and we all agree it's because the white shirt, like Fakenaldo before him.
     
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  19. Bada Bing

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    #4694 Bada Bing, Dec 21, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2018
    Few away from 400 Liga goals.

    Top League Scoring Records


    397 in 432 Lionel Messi La Liga
    365 in 427 Gerd Müller Bundesliga
    357 in 516 Jimmy Greaves English First Division
    303 in 515 Angel Labruna Argentine Primera Division
    299 in 449 Delio Onnis Ligue 1
    274 in 537 Silvio Piola Serie A
    260 in 441 Alan Shearer Premier League
    190 in 342 Roberto Dinamite Brasileiro Serie A
     
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  20. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

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    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
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    top 5 league first round before winter break
    most goal: messi
    most assist: messi
    most dribble: messi
    most fk goal: messi
    most key passes: messi
    most goal outside the box: messi
    5th? this world is not for him
     
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  21. Bada Bing

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    #4696 Bada Bing, Dec 28, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2018
    Year end statistics for 2018: 51 goals, 29 assists, 54 games, 1,48 GApG which is third best after 2012 (1,74) and 2016 (1,52).

    Messi is also closing on 1000 career GA in official senior games, currently on 971 (649+322).
     
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  22. Dooly

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    Oct 25, 2016
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    How many does ronaldo have
     
  23. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

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    Don't know and don't care.
     
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  24. Bada Bing

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    #4699 Bada Bing, Dec 28, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2018
    After 2018 Supercopa Messi's title streak is now 11 seasons long, with only one season without a title (07-08).

    04-05 La Liga, WCu20
    05-06 La Liga, Champions League, Supercopa
    06-07 Supercopa
    07-08
    08-09 La Liga, Champions League, Copa Del Rey, Olympics
    09-10 La Liga, Supercopa, Club World Cup, Super Cup
    10-11 La Liga, Champions League, Supercopa
    11-12 Copa Del Rey, Supercopa, Club World Cup, Super Cup
    12-13 La Liga
    13-14 Supercopa
    14-15 La Liga, Champions League, Copa Del Rey
    15-16 La Liga, Copa Del Rey, Club World Cup, Super Cup
    16-17 Copa Del Rey, Supercopa
    17-18 La Liga, Copa Del Rey
    18-19 Supercopa
    Career 35

    Similarly major individual title streak is now 10 seasons long (pending this season).

    04-05 WCu20 Golden Ball
    05-06
    06-07
    07-08
    08-09 Uefa Player, Liga Player
    09-10 Ballon d'Or, Golden Shoe, Liga Player
    10-11 Ballon d'Or, Uefa Player, Liga Player
    11-12 Ballon d'Or, Golden Shoe, Liga Player
    12-13 Ballon d'Or, Golden Shoe, Liga Player
    13-14 WC Golden Ball
    14-15 Copa America MVP, Uefa Player, Liga Player
    15-16 Ballon d'Or
    16-17 Golden Shoe
    17-18 Golden Shoe, Liga Player
    18-19
    Career 23
     
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  25. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

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    If Messi can maintain current scoring pace, he's going to pass Pele's career goals in about two years.

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