The "Messi: the best player in the world. Is it even up for discussion?" thread

Discussion in 'Barcelona' started by jfcule, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    For what ??

    You need a player to slow things down and keep your centre backs busy with an endless stream of back passes ??

    Rakitic is your man !
     
  2. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
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    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Probably an unfair way to rate Modric's performance as your system doesn't consider how he advanced play through quality passes.
     
  3. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
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    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    Modric got the award due to the romanticism associated with Croatia

    Croatia for me had one great game vs Argentina but other than that required 3 extra times (and 2 pks) to get to the final in what was clearly the weakest bracket. Glad that France got the win (6 games won and all KO games won within 90 mins in the harder bracket)
     
  4. Forzabarca

    Forzabarca Guest

    Face-palm!!
     
  5. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Not sure what your post has to do with Modric winning WC Ballon d'Or.(?) Regardless of the relative strength of the 2 sides of the bracket, France went into every match as solid favorites. Bigger than Croatia. So Modric' job was still tougher than anyone on France in that sense.
    And always difficult to make a solid case for anyone that didn't make the WC final.
     
  6. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
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    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    #4531 condor11, Jul 24, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2018
    Against England it was Perisic who got them back in the game and Modric was largely MIA till that point.

    Similarly vs Russia and Denmark he was not above players like Rakitic or Perisic.

    Croatia's rivals in KO were
    Denmark - Croatia cleary has better players
    Russia - Croatia clearly has better players
    England - Croatia has better players in key positions (Modric, Rakitic, Perisic, the fullbacks)

    People bitched about Messi getting the award and Modric's performance was no better. Dont see the public outrage at his award.

    For my money Kante was the best overall player.

    BTW - in 2010 Forlan and 1990 Schillachi got the awards so the precedent was there
     
  7. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yeah, Kante probably deserved it more. France took a very defensive approach in this tournament, which they couldn't have done without Kante. So he was vital!

    Yeah, I forgot about Forlan. He wasn't even the most important player on Uruguay (Suarez) so for me the last 4 winners of this award could be considered highly debatable. Messi might be the least debatable of the 4.
     
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  8. Force Barca

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    Dec 23, 2017
  9. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    That theory may well be tested if he gets sent to prison for five years - Google Modric and Prison sentence ;)
     
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  10. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

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    Aug 5, 2014
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    Chelsea LFC
    #4535 Ozora, Jul 26, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2018
    most goals+assists in top 5 league: messi 46
    most successful final third pass in top 5 leagues: messi 846(3rd after de bruyne and david silva)
    most successful dribbles in top 5 leagues: messi 185
    most clear cut chance in top 5 leagues: messi 30
    most freekick goals in top 5 leagues: messi 6
    the most dominant player ever. hope he will get his sixth
     
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  11. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

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    Aug 5, 2014
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    hazard was the best imo. unstoppable vs brazil
     
  12. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
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    FC Barcelona
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    Argentina
    Thinking doing Hazard next, looking up statistics it could be one of the best performance in World Cup, ever.

    It does if you watch which led to good chances. What my system doesn't take into consideration is back and side passes that don't lead to anything. Such passing isn't really about individual skill, but about team dynamic, and thus shouldn't be taken into account when assessing individual performance.

    Personal records in dribbling and freekicks too.
     
  13. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
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    Brazil
    If it's not a direct chance creation, it doesn't seem to account for it. You can be spraying passes left and right with accuracy advancing play that end up in crosses that don't amount to much ... but doesn't mean you're not playing great yourself.
     
  14. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
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    Argentina
    That could be counted by pass accuracy, but passing is more difficult less space and time you have, which again comes from team dynamic, or what position and how marked you are. I don't think any team marked Modric, or he was usually well on space in every game, because he was playing the middle point in well oiled machine.
     
  15. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Last January after Barcelona won 5-0 away to Betis (Messi with two goals) Andres Guardado took his son to meet Messi.
    The video is only now making the rounds after Guardado's wife posted it on Monday.
    Messi has received compliments for taking time to greet the kid and Guardado has received praise for allowing his son to meet a rival his son considers an idol.

    1023668221147328512 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  16. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
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    Argentina
    With 33, became the player with most tituleros in Spanish football, surpassing Iniesta.
     
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  17. puyol

    puyol Member+

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    Dec 24, 2009
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  18. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Lionel Messi has donated $4.2 million to UNICEF.

    Spread the word cause messi's PR is sh*t[emoji23]

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  19. Umar

    Umar Member+

    Sep 13, 2005
    One step ahead
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    Real Madrid
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    Palestine
    I believe his foundation made that donation, not Messi. Interesting timing given the Spiegel online report into his foundation earlier in the year.

    http://m.spiegel.de/international/world/questions-surrounding-lionel-messi-foundation-a-1188813.html

    The source of funds is likely to be F.C. Barcelona’s foundation and not Messi personally.

    Is this their way of preparing to liquidate or make the foundation dormant?
     
  20. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
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    FC Barcelona
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    Argentina
    Something you can't fake with pr.

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  21. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
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    FC Barcelona
    Love your Messi gifs, Bing. Always look forward to them. :thumbsup:
     
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  22. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

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    Aug 5, 2014
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    Chelsea LFC
    love that outside foot pass
     
  23. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    This is CRAZY!!!

     
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  24. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
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  25. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

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    Aug 5, 2014
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    Chelsea LFC
    another monstrous performance by messi
     

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