The Lieblingspanzer that Could: Weston McKennie at Schalke

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  1. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 11, 2006
    I am not in the backroom or the locker room. But from the outside, having been around the block even a few german blocks, it looks to me like this:

    Tedesco:

    My best young attacking player, heart of my team

    Goretzka free transfer OUT >>
    Rudy 28 year old has been BM center back in at $28mm IN <<

    A lot of unproven this or that on the cheap from here or there IN.

    36 year old veteran soul of my team OUT>>

    I am the best coach in the Bundesliga now that Tommy Teuchel is out. And you give me this crap to play a defensive 5-3-2?

    Fine.

    So he rolls out a 2-1-3-2-1-1

    and a

    3-1-2-4...

    That's a coach saying: F*you and your stupidity.

    he took the CL seriously because, how can you not? Those were auditions for the job at Everton, Tottenham, Valencia etc.
     
  2. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    i'm sure there are shades of truth to what you have here...

    tedesco was a like a good chef with a bare cupboard.

    another poster said in this thread something about a "shell game"...I think that is more likely than the idea of being absurd out of protest.

    Jurgen Klinsmann was doing a lot of that with USMNT - imo part of the reason you never knew who was going to play or where they would line up on the field under JK was "the element of surprise" - and, while it couldve been better executed - I think that aspect of JK's coaching strategy did have some merit. (as an aside it seems GB is taking the opposite appraoch of letting the whole world know exactly what he will do every game...interesting to see if that bites him in the end)

    Perhaps it is a german thing to compensate for a (perceived) lack of talent by mixing up the lineup unpredicatably from game to game?

    are there other german coaches besides tedesco and JK that do/did that?

    (whatever the case, I think tedesco is a bright coach and he is being unduly dismissed by this board in light of what he had to work with at schalke this year)
     
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  3. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    What’s was that saying about bear bryant:

    Bryant can take his'n and beat your'n, and then he can turn around and take your'n and beat his'n.

    I guess tedesco isn’t at that level where he can take lesser players to greater heights.
     
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  4. Higher Learning

    Jul 1, 2009
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like David Wagner to Shalke is official
     
  5. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Best one-line summary of any club situation all season.

    Tedesco was widely reported to be livid that no succession planning was in place for Goretzke. Without him, last season's successful team has had its gearbox removed, and then they let Naldo go and removed the brakes.

    He'll find another club pretty soon. Probably a good one.
     
  6. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic


    Apparently David Wagner is going to be the coach next season. Not sure if that's a good thing for Wagner, but it's definitely good for Schalke - for a while anyway. The real issue is who's going to be Sporting Director, and whether he'll give Wagner the time and player resources needed.

    HT to @BostonRed
     
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  7. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    Still wonder if they’ll be able to hold onto McKennie. It’s difficult to shine when the rest of the team does not.

    We may not see a Liverpool type of offer we were discussing earlier in the season. Regardless, We just need him somewhere getting consistent minutes at his preferred position, and growing his game.
     
  8. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Plus, it's one of the best jobs an American-ish coach has ever gotten! Congratulations to Wagner, who has had an impressive managerial career to my eyes.
     
  9. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Washington DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ha! I have to admit I was thinking the opposite. Great gig for Wagner, will reserve judgment on if it is good for Schalke.
     
  10. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Schalke fans like Wagner because he's, as the English say, "one of the lads." He was there only a couple of seasons, but was part of the team that got the Europa League (back then UEFA Cup) with them. Truth is, he only played garbage minutes, but still, he was there, a permanent bench fixture.

    Some express a certain reticence based on the style of play he had with the Terriers. But that team was garbage, Mooy excepted.
     
  11. dd601

    dd601 Member

    Oct 21, 2004
    Did Wagner and berhalter play together? Are they friends
     
  12. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    It's possible they were in a US camp or two together, that's about it. They both lived in Germany at the same time in the 2000s? I haven't seen any evidence that they're friends, though they have most likely met.
     
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  13. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Does anyone know of any interest for Wes from outside Schalke?

    I've been trying to find something but I've hit a blank.
     
  14. kba4life1

    kba4life1 Member+

    Jul 14, 2010
    Irvine, CA
    Nothing since the Liverpool rumor earlier this year. I love me some Mckennie, but he just ain’t good enough for Liverpool IMO, no shame in that.

    Think he’d make sense as a somewhat cheap-ish replacement for Ramsey at Arsenal, but what do I know.
     
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  15. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Schalke draw 0-0 and secure their Bundesliga spot for next season. McKennie started and went 90 minutes.
     
  16. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 11, 2006
    "hold on?"

    The guy who has played every position and locked down none? RB, RCB, DM, CM, ACM, Striker, second striker.

    He may develop into a player that can move the ball into the attack, but so far he is continually being moved back on the pitch. You don't do that with your best players.

    I think the most important thing for his career is for him to surround himself with very good attacking midfielders so he can learn from them. Right now based on his performances, I would have him as a RB or a roaming #8 charged with gaining back possession.
     
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  17. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s one take I guess. Not one I share. True, he hasn’t lived caked down one position, but it seems he is a player coaches feel needs to be on the field.
     
  18. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    *locked down one position
     
  19. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    Yeah, I haven't watched every Schalke game, but from the ones I've seen, he's looked unremarkable at worst, which is pretty good given that he's 20, the team was a mess, and he was being moved all around the field. And there have been a handful of games where I thought he was one of the best players on the field for either team.
     
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  20. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC


    I have also watched a lot of 04 games. He has been moved around due to injuries and because his coach believes in him. If he was on a team where he could play the above position, which I think is his spot, he would look even better. Hopefully this happens.
     
  21. dd601

    dd601 Member

    Oct 21, 2004
    schalke bad run of form coincided with his injury. their recent uptick with his return. I am pretty sure he has been in lineup for almost all their points
     
  22. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Lacking a fixed position/role at all affects your market value negatively.
     
  23. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Is this truly reality? There is a constant discussion over CP's position at Chelsea and whether it is L or R or middle and look at his transfer fee.
     
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  24. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Right, like how Gareth Bale played as a withdrawn striker, left mid, right winger, and left back for Tottenham in 2012-13 and only commanded a world record fee when he moved to Real the following summer.
     
  25. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    All I hear about Wagner is Jurgen Klopp Part 2. On that alone I think this is good for Wes
     

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