I get it - you disagree. But touching the ball does have *some* bearing on it. That is a playable ball and both players have some responsibility to avoid the collision. Going in with your foot at that level when the ball is not near your foot is different from going for and getting a playable ball, even if your challenge is careless or reckless (or, as judged here, with excessive force). I can also see, give how that looked in real time, why he got the card. I still think a red was harsh, but what I think doesn't matter.
Many say "natural position", which is a common interpretation, I think. And it makes sense. However, the Laws of the Game (at least 2018) say: Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm. The following must be considered: • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball) • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an offence • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an offence It seems based on the actual rules, a slide tackling player should not be penalized if his arm is not on his body, as long as there is not a deliberate attempt to play the ball with the hands/arms. The rules state that the hand shall not move towards the ball. There is no mention of what is "natural". Based on the rules taken literally, if a player is standing there with his arms outstretched to the side, and the offensive player kicks the ball from a short distance, and the ball strikes the arm, there is no foul. I'm not saying what is right or wrong, just that the common interpretation about arms/hands being in "natural" positions is just that, an interpretation. The rules talk about being "deliberate" and moving "towards the ball".
they're white guys what do you expect I tease of course. I gotta figure even pro cricket players get their ton of ladies.
I don’t know what you guys are arguing about, his girlfriend’s hand was clearly in a natural position.
There are the laws and the interpretation. The refs are taught to interpret it the same way and at the world level the refs are pretty consistent. If you do something that makes yourself big in anticipation of a kick, you clearly aren't reacting, but you have caused a handball by your positioning which has no other purpose than to block the ball. So the intent can come _before_ the kick. The more you insert yourself to block a ball, the more you had better make your arms small. This is like a player putting their arms behind their back when they are standing up to block a ball. When you jump, keep your arms below your shoulders. When you slide, keep the arm bent and tight. There will always be a gray area, and in this case the arm wasn't as tight as it could have been, but it was most of the way there.
"Even"?!?!? I certain jurisdictions - think Australia, India & Pakistan - they get their ton of the ladies. And the cream of every other pro sports' ton on top.
No, my point was that there is no "high kick" rule. It is exactly the same careless/reckless/excessive hierarchy, that truly does not consider whether the ball was touched. Get to the ball first, come through horizontally with studs up, studs hit ball, two-feet later hit your studs into someone who was running in to defend but got there second, collect your red card for careless+reckless+excessive.
I never said anything about a high kick, so that's odd. And a tackle that is a legit play on the ball will not always get the same response as the same tackle if the ball is away. One may be careless, the other reckless, for one example. Anyway, I am certain no one wants to read us dancing this around for 20 more posts here, so I will leave it at this: as I wrote, I did not (and still do not) think Serdar's challenge rose to the level of excessive force/serious foul play warranting a straight red. To me it was no way as bad as yellow-carded fouls such as van Dyke on Marteens recently or Verratti's tackle on Gomez in Pool/PSG or that infamous kick to head Morata gave Kimmich a few years ago (to name a couple of fairly famous (and worse to my eye) yellow card interactions that come to mind.) Still, you, and most importantly, the CR did think the tackle used excessive force and what the ref decides is all that matters so I think we can go back to debating who christened Wes the cuddly tank. Have a good Sunday.
Am told #usmnt coach Gregg Berhalter will watch Schalke (Weston McKennie) at Man City Weds in the Champions League, Werder Bremen (Josh Sargent) vs. Stuttgart on Friday and ‘Gladbach (Fabian Johnson) vs. Wolfsburg (John Brooks) on Saturday. https://t.co/1VMGujZqaQ— Doug McIntyre (@ByDougMcIntyre) February 18, 2019
Interesting that Bodo Menze, who was once head of Schalke's academy and who seems to have had a role in bringing Weston over to Schalke, calls McKennie a 6. In my viewing, he has played pretty much everywhere except a 6 for Schalke this year. I think he's more an 8 than a 6, but then again I've never directed a prestigious youth academy "He is on a wonderful path. He is a very complete defensive midfield player," Menze told Goal. "He is a very strong boy mentally and physically. He is the perfect player to get into the first XI of our club. He is in a very good situation playing as the number six. I have big hopes because his mentality and his character makes him the right boy to play for Schalke. He is a positive team player, a very nice guy with a certain humour, and a perfect team player." https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/mov...be-bundeligas-next/15e9rmqh5fn961hnpnogbs0d7j
He seemed more like a 6 last year, running around pressuring...when Schalke were fun to watch last year. I do agree he seems best as an 8...Adams is in the same boat.
Bottom line is that Berhalter needs to find a way to keep both of them on the field. They seem to know each other and I'm sure have played together with youth national teams, so hopefully this is a challenge we can execute on.
Huuge game for him today. Who knows where/if he plays but just got the chills thinking about him bossing the midfield today.
Rumor has it he’s taken over the GM position since no one but him knows how to handle it. Way to go Weston!
It's happening kids, our little tank gets the start 📋 Team news! Here's our 1️⃣1️⃣ Royal Blues to face @ManCity tonight! ⚒️#s04 #S04MCI #UCL pic.twitter.com/k0T3q7z2p2— FC Schalke 04 (@s04_en) February 20, 2019