The Impeachment Pool

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by American Brummie, Mar 30, 2017.

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On what day (of the month of which year) does the U.S. House of Representatives vote - on the floor

  1. On or Before January 20, 2018

    8.7%
  2. On or Before January 20, 2019

    23.9%
  3. On or Before January 20, 2020

    10.9%
  4. On or Before January 20, 2021

    7.6%
  5. None of the Above - Donald Trump finishes out one or two terms of office

    48.9%
  1. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
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    Jul 16, 2017
    The closest I've heard is it is perfectly constitutional for the Senate to agree he did bad things but not rise to the level of removal and dismiss the case, with the example being Bill lying under oath. Bad? Yes. Worthy of getting the boot? No.

    I dont agree with that chain of thought but i understand it.
     
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  2. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    So what was the cheating that took place the second time?
    I mean the actual cheating, not the attempt at cheating.
     
  3. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
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    1. Is attempted cheating not as bad as actual cheating? I mean, if he didn't get caught, he would have cheated.
    2. We don't know (yet) what other countries have been approached for bullshit investigations or other actions intended to help Trump in the 2020 election. Do you think it was just Ukraine? Trump is such a class act that he just tried this with Ukraine, got caught, that was it, everything else is clean?
     
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  4. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    They openly went to Italy and UK for help on their BS story. I'm sure I'm missing others
     
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  5. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Hello Stanger!
     
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  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    What are Joe Biden’s negatives now? (Let’s assume you’re being serious.)
     
  7. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    What's your definition of worse?
     
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  8. roby

    roby Member+

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    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Vfish! :p
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
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    Belgium
    So if you get caught in the act, you get a third go?

    I really don't understand your argument at all.

    We found out the Ukraine scam was prevented mere days before the scheme was about to come to fruition. We have no idea what cheating Trump is doing now, or will do in the future, but we do know Rudy has been in back at it

    Consequence needs to be strict, otherwise the President can cheat with impunity
     
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  10. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
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    We live in the upside down.

    No one was talking about Hunter Biden a year ago. Now suddenly lots of conservatives are very worried about him

    If only Joe had thought to make him a white house adviser, then conservatives would have been cool with it :p
     
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  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    He obviously needs compassion for his addictions. Oh wait, he doesn't live in Kentucky. Nevermind.
     
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  12. soccernutter

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    1 - When we are talking about crimes committed (regarding impeachment), we need to be specific. Somebody doesn't attempt to murder somebody and then get charged with murder. What Individual One did is very clear. He attempted to influence the election/bribe Ukrainian officials. It was not successful, it was a failed attempt. Jitty's phrasing suggested says that the cheating was successful.
    2 - I agree we don't know, and I would think he did attempt. But what we don't know, we can say it exists. This is not Schrodinger's cat. We actually need to know/have the evidence.
     
  13. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Dude, make the argument.
     
  14. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    If the Patriots film someone's practice, but still lose, they didn't "attempt to cheat." They cheated.

    If you steal the signs and still strike out, kick your ball our of the trap and then four putt, have sex with the neighbor's wife without orgasm, there's no "attempted" to it-- its cheating, even if you get an indulgence from the pope.
     
  15. yossarian

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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    So you're just having a semantics argument with Jitty then, correct? You think Trump attempted to cheat but didn't actually accomplish the act? Okay, but taking that as your premise, you aren't arguing that the attempt isn't enough, are you? Taking your example, attempted murder is certainly still a serious crime.
     
  16. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    If only Al Capone hadn't cheated on his taxes! :confused:
     
  17. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
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    The pivoting of some of the posters in this forum since 2016 has been a depressing, but entertaining and confirming read
     
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  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Jul 23, 2004
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    Belgium
    This is has awoken my inner lawyer now :p

    "Cheating" as a relatively generic verb covers what Trump did IMO, even if he was ultimately unsuccessful with it.

    He did the act with the intent to gain an illegitimate advantage - therefore he cheated, whether or not the advantage was gained.
     
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  19. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
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    FC Sankt Pauli
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    Belgium
    It would be so ironic if Biden became President, then went full fash, reliant on the 37 senator rule, and locked up all the opposition :p
     
  20. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    US seems to be headed towards a reality where if you can seat a corrupt AG, then POTUS can commit any crime, so long as he has 37 senators to rub together who will acquit, (or controls the House).

    The only check on this situation is the public getting fed up and voting them all out - which is the final guardrail we are about to test in 2020
     
  22. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    That’s not the number you were looking for
     
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  23. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    LOL

    / self pwn
     
  24. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Yeah...the jump from Steeler fandom to AUFC was mind boggling! :whistling::p
     
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  25. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
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    Belgium
    I am posting this as a tweet because I can't find it on YouTube which shows the stupidity of the current rule (or lack thereof). Anyway the source of OAN.

    Rudy continues to cheat, and here is the beginnings of the media effort

    A "documentary" will explain how Trump is innocent, and smear his political rivals. LOL.

    1206303020813819904 is not a valid tweet id
     
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