The Global Warming Thread

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  1. dapip

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    There seem to be a few Euros working on that too...
     
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  2. Boloni86

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    And a continuation on that article, now we have the world's biggest coal company from India announcing the demolition of 37 mines by next year. The Indian government will not allow any new coal mines to be built beyond 2022 which is expected to mean that they'll exceed their Paris commitment significantly. At this rate coal will be phased out completely from the Indian economy before 2050.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ergy-market-influence-pollution-a7800631.html

    The question now is whether an Indian patriot will step up to make India great again and bring back those black lung jobs. Probably not because Indian voters aren't massive imbeciles like the American voters. Even the uneducated Indian has enough common sense to defer to the experts on these matters.
     
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  3. ceezmad

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    It is India, Government saying one thing, actually happening is another thing.

    But it is a very good step for sure.

    India needs lots of electricity and demand is growing a lot, I wonder if their plan is to build nuclear power plants? right now coal is about 60% of their power.
     
  4. dapip

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    If only it was as sunny there as in Germany!
     
  5. dapip

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    This is a dire picture...

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...hange-hotspots?CMP=twt_a-environment_b-gdneco

    All round the world, farmers, city authorities and scientists have observed changing patterns of rainfall, temperature rises and floods. Fifteen of the 16 hottest years have been recorded since 2000. Carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions steadily climb. Oceans are warming and glaciers, ice caps and sea ice are melting faster than expected. Meanwhile, heat and rainfall records tumble.

    The evidence for the onset of climate change is compelling. But who and where is it hitting the hardest? How fast will it come to Africa, or the US? What will be its impact on tropical cities, forests or farming? On the poor, or the old? When it comes to details, much is uncertain.

    Mapping the world’s climate hotspots and identifying where the impacts will be the greatest is increasingly important for governments, advocacy groups and others who need to prioritise resources, set goals and adapt to a warming world.
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  6. Boloni86

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    Meanwhile in China ... http://www.climateactionprogramme.org/news/chinese-province-runs-on-100-renewables-for-7-days

    But remember folks ... this is all an elaborate hoax designed by China to screw West Virginians.
     
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  7. dapip

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    Given the resources available, it shouldn't be a problem to make a transition to a society where we not only use renewable energy sources, but where we make more efficient use of other resources, like land, water, food. We could, at least in theory, find the most efficient way to use our spaces, to move from one place to the other, to provide water to the public, etc. I still envision things that were in some books that I read as a kid, where you would have small or no commutes (or better yet, telecommutes) and where cities would be efficient and smart.

    But I guess a lot of people living better lives, drinking clean water and breathing cleaner air, is against the agenda of some people in power.
     
  8. Boloni86

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    Meanwhile, more from China. They just broke ground on another green urban development project today, which are starting to become common in parts of the developed world not named the USA.

    http://www.designboom.com/architect...zhou-forest-city-masterplan-china-06-26-2017/

    But we can't have that in America because, clutch your pearls Americans, it might take some public funds to pay for it! :eek::eek::eek::eek: The horror! Everyone knows communal solutions to communal problems is evil!

    Notice the high speed public transportation in the plans. Another evil concept ... moving people between home, work and recreation in a clean and efficient process. SATAN!!!!
     
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  9. Dr. Wankler

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  10. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    Let me know when China clears up the air pollution in Beijing.
     
  11. dapip

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  12. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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  13. ceezmad

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    To be fair, China can do lot of this since they do not have to worry about the democratic process, they can move entire villages against their will with out having to worry about pesky lawsuits or too much bad media coverage.

    It can work out at the end, they can develop their ghost cities with new clean technology and we can help them clean their polluted soil so their people do not have to eat poisoned rice.

    I smell a business opportunity.

    1 quadrillion worth of business opportunity to clean up China's soil.

    You want to become mega rich, forget solar power, figure out how to cheaply clean up polluted soil, and hope some China company dos not steal away your intellectual property.

    http://www.economist.com/news/brief...tly-most-neglected-threat-public-health-china
     
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  14. Naughtius Maximus

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    Isn't that the point? That they're trying to?

    Well, over a period, anyway. They're making a start IOW.
     
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  15. American Brummie

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    You only appear to live in the world of hyperbole.

    Is it possible, nay, even probable, that there exists a middle ground between "Hell on Earth" and "some great environmental role model" for China?

    Perhaps?

    Nah. Carry on.
     
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  16. crazypete13

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    Judging by all the recent press this has been given - they are also leveraging their green initiatives for good vibes on the internet.
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    It was always known in the industry that China would pivot from coal fired power

    The problem is more the long life cycle of the very dirty plants they built during scale up

    But this is in context of millions having no electricity

    Which is why western smugness ignores our own industrial history
     
  18. crazypete13

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    No doubt, various Western nations are at a similar point after more than a century of burning coal.
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    In the work we did I came to realise energy poverty is the key to climate change

    Bringing electricity to those in energy poverty lowers the birth rate massively

    This is the key step to stabilising population and energy demand

    The problem is the cheap dirty 2 decade plants that get built in Asia
     
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  20. dapip

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    They spend more time watching soccer on TV and less under the covers?
     
  21. Naughtius Maximus

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    Agreed! Makes sense I s'pose.
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    Energy poverty is a key driver of mortality
     
  23. NORML

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    #3898 NORML, Jun 27, 2017
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    The biggest obstacle in the US to go more Green with it's energy is an outdated grid that needs to focus more on storage capacity. I really should invest in Tesla before their Gigafactory is completely up and running.

    LATIMESLINK
     
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  24. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    Oh, I don't know. Maybe.

    But then again we could talk about Berlin and the real things they done in that city. But let's all cheer China!
     
  25. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    Like I said, when they show some progress, let me know.

    I'll be happy to give credit where credit is due.
     

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