The Global Warming Thread

Update: evidently coal isnt the problem but transportation





(pink "160 mil." to for transportation has actually risen and is the same as 2005) Only huge investments in electric mobility will help

http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/...eutschland-geht-leicht-zurueck-a-1132447.html

 

Apparently the 80s are back, because James Baker and George Schultz (I thought he was dead?) have a conservative climate change plan. They propose a pretty robust carbon tax, the proceeds of which will be distributed on a per cap or possibly even progressive basis. In return, the EPA will end most/all of the related regulations.

Thoughts?

 

Baker and Schultz, thanks for playing, but you coulda done that thirty years ago and decided not to.

 

I'm shocked, SHOCKED that Trump's EPA chief is a moron.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...tt-questions-basic-facts-about-climate-change

"I would not agree that [CO2] is a primary contributor to the global warming that we see," Scott Pruitt said Thursday in an interview with CNBC's Joe Kernen.

"I believe that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do, and there's tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact," Pruitt said.

Those statements are at odds with an overwhelming body of scientific evidenceshowing that humans are causing the climate to warm by releasing CO2 into the atmosphere. The view that CO2 is a major heat-trapping gas is supported by reams of data, included data collected by government agencies such as NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

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Pruitt's comments come just over two weeks after he took the helm of the EPA, the agency with the authority to regulate CO2 and other greenhouse gases as pollutants. In 2014, the EPA unveiled rules that would require substantial reductions to greenhouse gases from power plants as part of a broader effort to limit global warming. The rule was contested by industry and states, and is currently under review in the courts.

Pruitt also said he believed that a major climate agreement reached in Paris was "a bad deal," and that he would soon be making an announcement about changes to so-called CAFE standards, which set fuel efficiency goals for cars and trucks.

Pruitt's latest statements on climate change come after the second-warmest February in the past 123 years, according to NOAA.​

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The guy is a lawyer with degrees in political science and communications. He should be doing climate-change science like I should be doing neurosurgery.

 

Or like Ben Carson is doing housing policy!!!

 

But isn't "Urban" dog-whistle for "Black?"

 

Any Republican leader knows more than any trained expert, on any subject.

 

Supposedly. I think dog whistles are stupid. You should just call a spade a spade.

 

So you're against PC? Go figure...

 

I think people should speak plainly and use the English language.

If people want to say something about inner city blacks being responsible for high crime rates and high out-of-wedlock pregnancy rates, they should just say so. Saying "urban" just tells me you afraid to speak your mind because you might offend someone.

People defending self-destructive pathologies of various racial and ethnic groups -- even poor whites -- could use a little offending IMHO.

 

Trumpism at its finest. You already blame poor people for not lifting themselves by the boot straps. What's next? Undocumented immigrants?

 

The bigger point being what?

 

I'm not blaming anyone for anything. The discussion was about the word "urban" being a dog whistle. I think the idea of dog whistles are stupid. So I gave an example, not a declaration of my own beliefs. I'm saying that if that's what people are referring to, they should say it.

Try and keep up.

 

About what?

 

Talking about high crime rates & out of wedlock births. You have some good conservative solutions? Jobs? Educational opportunities? Tax cuts for billionaires?

 

It was an example of what people who use "urban" as a dog whistle for blacks might be referring to. I stated they should say what they mean.

 

So, anyway, global ********ing warming...

 

You tell it as it is. Clearly.

 

It's a hoax.

 

I appreciate your adulation, but it is not required.

 

Yes your orangeness. We ought to use less PC language because that is the source of all our problems.

 

Thanks Obama!

 

Dog whistles are a tactic developed such that politicians can say things they can't get away with saying without getting in trouble. Your description of them sounds hopelessly naive, of course they're stupid, but they work, and that's why people use them. I mean it's pretty much just marketing, you're demanding truth in advertising but that's just not how the game works when the whole goal is to convince gullible people to buy your product.