The Global Warming Thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by NickyViola, Nov 30, 2009.

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  1. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
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    Worst president ever. Never even stole one gun.
     
  2. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    This is so depressing because it was not anticipated.

    After "THE PAUSE!!" was revealed as a statistically insignificant it seemed denial had moved on to the new Alamo - essentially pretend that nothing can be done, its all too expensive, science will save us, and that Obama's Paris deal was "the wrong approach".

    But actually they might be prepared to go much further than that.

    It matches my own experience in the Fossil industry.

    The progressive approach, focussed on CCS and Carbon Prices was gutted, in favour of milking every last $ from the dying cash cow

    In my opinion, Coal knows its a dying industry.

    The thing is many of the key guys are old and they had their time and made their money.

    So now they just bury their heads in the sand and fight to the death over every yard of ground
     
  3. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

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    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
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    Capitalism hard at work.
     
  4. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    I know, right? Wish I could shame all the gun-nut posters on this forum, but they'll never admit they got played by the NRA and the industry.
     
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  5. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Their vigilance kept NObama at bay.
     
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  6. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Depressing, because the "pause" was completely contrived. No honest statistician would ever come to that conclusion, and it only was "disproved" when their own blatant mathematic "contortions" (that's giving it too much credit) could not accommodate the newer data.
    Perfect. Sounds like business as usual.
    see: Robert Murray. One of the worst human beings on the planet. Even my Bundy-supporting friend that worked in his mine in Helper, UT had nothing good to say about him.
     
  7. ceezmad

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    So how much Carbon have we really saved with all those Solar panels?


    Obviously it is getting much better, so 2 years of carbon savings to payoff the carbon debt to build them is pretty good, depending on the lifetime of the panels.


    http://www.economist.com/news/scien...w-paper-may-have-answer-how-clean-solar-power
     
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  8. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
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    Life time? Im not an expert on the ingridients of an average solar panel but Id say they are to some higher degree recyclable so that in the future you can use them for producing better, more efficient ones. That should reduce the footprint too.
     
  9. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    It does seem strange that we have to go through the calculations to figure out what makes the most sense.

    I don't mean to the coal fanboys... the're pretty much a lost cause anyway... I mean the green lobby. Unfortunately there are too many people that like things because they feel it should be right, even if it's not.
     
  10. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Jul 2, 2003
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    There is a similar calculation regarding hybrids/electric cars. They are without a doubt more efficient and cost-effective than gas vehicles -- but there is still a carbon cost related to producing the electricity required to charge them (on average 30kWh per 100 miles) -- but compared to burning gasoline, it's a no-brainer.
     
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  11. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Jul 2, 2003
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    Is this the Trump hysteria thread?
     
  12. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    There's a vast range of factors including the energy cost of creating the batteries in the first place.

    I considered purchasing a Toyota hybrid car but, as I only do about 3-4,000 miles a year it seemed a bit silly. The alternative would have been a diesel but then it turns out they're a lot more 'dirty' than we all thought so that's part of the calculation. Also, they require more servicing if they don't do reasonable mileage so, again, that's a non-starter.

    I ended up buying a 'normal' petrol vehicle.
     
  13. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Jul 2, 2003
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    Disposing of the batteries at some point also comes with an environmental cost, people should know there are a lot of "anti-green" attributes of hybrids/EVs, although I still think they are the future of automobiles.
     
  14. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Only one of many! :coffee:
     
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  15. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    I thought they were all that now? Am I wrong?
     
  16. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Heavens to Betsy....most likely not. Then again we weren't going to let your side of the pond get all the positive news cycles due to Brexit. We've bested you again! :cry:
     
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  17. Sudžuka

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    Jan 27, 2013
    ‘Rolling Coal’ in Diesel Trucks, to Rebel and Provoke

    There is a new menace on America’s roads: diesel truck drivers who soup up their engines and remove their emissions controls to “roll coal,” or belch black smoke, at pedestrians, cyclists and unsuspecting Prius drivers

    Depending on whom you ask, rolling coal is a juvenile prank, a health hazard, a stand against rampant environmentalism, a brazen show of American freedom o_O. Coal rollers’ frequent targets: walkers, joggers, cyclists, hybrid and Asian cars and even police officers. A popular bumper sticker reads “Prius Repellent.”
     
  18. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    @The Jitty Slitter
    Phil Plait wrote up a nice piece in Slate about the "faux-pause" in warming. Basically, data collection methods were inconsistent. Applying re-calibration to the data to account for sampling error, they found no pause at all, and warming has been consistent right on through the 1998, before and after.
     
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  19. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Yeah...much ado about nothing. Kinda like Adu! :coffee:

    The crack in this Antarctic ice shelf just grew by 11 miles. A dramatic break could be imminent.
    Washington Post - ‎6 hours ago‎


    This story has been updated. An enormous rift in one of Antarctica's largest ice shelves grew dramatically over the past month, and a chunk nearly the size of Delaware could break away as soon as later this winter, British scientists reported this week.
     
  20. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
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    I follow him and read his Bad Astronomer blog a lot, he's very good at Science communication. Also very good at taking climate-change deniers to task, especially those in government who hate all thngs science but serve in powerful positions on Science committees somehow.
     
  21. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
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  22. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Hopefully they're not using similar technology that Volkswagen used. :p
     
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  23. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    40.1% coal and lignite, hopefully that is less than a few years ago.
     
  24. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
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    TSV 1860 München
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    From the sources I could find it has shrinked compared to last year's 42.1%. So yes less but not very much
     
  25. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Well that is good, I know when they gave up nuclear their carbon heavy foot print actually went up, but that was temporarily.

    As long as Germany can decrease the reliance on dirty sources of energy, then it is a good thing.


    We still get a lot of energy from carbon unfortunately (more if Trump lobbies in favor of the coal industry/unions). Natural gas is helping reduce our demand for coal.
     

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