The Fire Jim Curtin Thread [MERGED]

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  1. derek750

    derek750 Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With a couple of good results in a row, Jim Curtin has now earned 202 points in 158 regular season MLS matches with the Philadelphia Union.

    Year: W - L - T (PPG) - GF/GA
    2014: 7 - 5 - 6 (1.5) - 29/24
    2015: 10 - 17 - 7 (1.09) - 42/55
    2016: 11 - 14 - 9 (1.24) - 52/55
    2017: 11 - 14 - 9 (1.24) - 50/47
    2018: 15 - 14 - 5 (1.47) - 49/50
    2019: 1 - 2 - 1 (1.00) - 5/6
    Total: 55 - 66 - 37 (1.28) - 227/237

    Curtin's first 11 matches:
    6 - 2 - 3 (1.91 PPG)

    Curtin's last 147 matches:
    49 - 64 - 34 (1.23 PPG)

    John Hackworth earned 89 points in 73 matches: 23 - 30 - 20 (1.22 PPG)
    Peter Nowak earned 87 points in 75 matches: 21 - 30 - 24 (1.16 PPG)
     
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  2. ScottyMac26

    ScottyMac26 Member+

    Jan 13, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union



    I do love when six years later people feel vindicated
     
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  3. sentrido

    sentrido Member

    Jul 9, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    LOL WHAT? Didn't most of those sob guys literally run away from big soccer because they couldn't handle any kind of criticism directed at them or the team? It's not too hard to avoid your ex if you just never go anywhere you know she is going to be.
     
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  4. thomas19064

    thomas19064 Member+

    Apr 29, 2008
    Delco
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He’s doing good now, but the last 6 years provided plenty of valid reasons to want him fired.
     
  5. derek750

    derek750 Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's been a great stretch. But even if you ignore Curtin's history, our record this season is not that impressive yet. We're currently tied for 10th in the league on PPG.

    I do think there are points available in the next 5 matches which could put the Union in a very strong position. At least the team has been interesting so far.
     
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  6. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's only one game: Changed tactics, used subs that changed the way they played and the game (not just like for like as in years past), had a plan going in and course corrected when needed.

    Maybe he's learning? Perhaps Ernst is having a positive influence on him? Maybe Earnie was the ironclad one after all?

    The losses to TFC and SKC don't look as bad now. The Draw in Atlanta...........that was 2 points dropped, let;s be honest. Last night was a game that the Union would have lost 2-0 in the past.

    The roster actually has talent this season. It does help that they can bring in legit game changers off of the bench like Montiero and Ilsinho. The Union have NEVER had that in season's past.

    This is the most talented roster of players the Union have ever had from top to bottom. If Curtin can't win with this team, then it's time for the Union to move on. By win I'm talking about finishing in the Top 4-5 in the east and winning a playoff game/ It'd also be nice to finally win an Open Cup too................
     
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  7. Tyr

    Tyr Member+

    Nov 7, 2009
    Lawrenceville
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It still seems too early to be giving Curtin this much credit. Columbus and Dallas were both missing several starters, and Cincy is an expansion team. LA, Seattle, and Toronto will be better tests to see whether Curtin is becoming the real deal or not.
     
  8. ScottyMac26

    ScottyMac26 Member+

    Jan 13, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nah, you hit 3-2-1 after 5 seasons of futility and coming up small I believe you’re entitled to spike it and publicly plan the parade route.
     
  9. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m sure the Hackworth haters disappeared when we were in first place in June. Doesn’t mean anything until we get to the Fall
     
  10. ScottyMac26

    ScottyMac26 Member+

    Jan 13, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Maybe, I still hate Hack though. Still pissed he’d bench Kleberson for Hopp.
     
  11. Phillyspur

    Phillyspur Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Mar 18, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Amazing what you might achieve when your job is on the line. After 5 seasons of No Accountability FC.
     
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  12. drewuke

    drewuke Member+

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I'm currently avoiding an entire state, so I guess you could say it's going pretty well.
     
  13. thomas19064

    thomas19064 Member+

    Apr 29, 2008
    Delco
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    quoting myself from... 2013, the Union probably could have hired Jesse.

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/hostiletakeoverbitches-who-would-you-hire.1995537/#post-28870069
     
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  14. derek750

    derek750 Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Time to retire this thread? :laugh:

    Jim Curtin has now earned 218 points in 165 regular season MLS matches with the Philadelphia Union.

    Year: W - L - T (PPG) - GF/GA
    2014: 7 - 5 - 6 (1.5) - 29/24
    2015: 10 - 17 - 7 (1.09) - 42/55
    2016: 11 - 14 - 9 (1.24) - 52/55
    2017: 11 - 14 - 9 (1.24) - 50/47
    2018: 15 - 14 - 5 (1.47) - 49/50
    2019: 6 - 3 - 2 (1.82) - 21/11
    Total: 60 - 67 - 38 (1.32) - 243/242

    Curtin's first 11 matches:
    6 - 2 - 3 (1.91 PPG)

    Curtin's last 154 matches:
    54 - 65 - 35 (1.28 PPG)

    John Hackworth earned 89 points in 73 matches: 23 - 30 - 20 (1.22 PPG)
    Peter Nowak earned 87 points in 75 matches: 21 - 30 - 24 (1.16 PPG)
     
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  15. Cherry Hill SOB

    Cherry Hill SOB Member+

    Aug 30, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    No. He's doing great right now but I'm sure we'll be mad at him again soon. I just hope it is not too soon.
     
  16. Handsome Pete

    Handsome Pete Member+

    May 16, 2011
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is early. And it is a long season.
     
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  17. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Before you retire this thread, just remember we are off to our best start since 2011.
     
  18. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure I'll say it. For yet another season, the same old story.

    First Jim figures out an effective offensive scheme - or it is discovered by chance when a newer player gets a lot of playing time due to injury.

    Second, the Union win 4-5 games in a row and we all get happy.

    Third, the rest of the league figures out how to neutralize our offense and we lose/draw 10 in a row.

    Fourth - there is no fourth. Jim never figures out a new offensive scheme.

    I really don't think he knows how to coach offense.
     
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  19. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Relax, it's not like they weren't creating chances last night. They hit the post three times, and also shot right at the keeper a few more.
     
  20. EdBacon

    EdBacon Member+

    Apr 6, 2015
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    We've been here before, multiple times. The issue has always been consistency. Curtin has never shown he is flexible enough to maintain this team's performance for a full season. He still hasn't done that this year.
     
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  21. Cherry Hill SOB

    Cherry Hill SOB Member+

    Aug 30, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Too soon?
     
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  22. thomas19064

    thomas19064 Member+

    Apr 29, 2008
    Delco
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  23. ScottyMac26

    ScottyMac26 Member+

    Jan 13, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Are we afraid we'd lose Jim? I would make winning a playoff game the determinant for re-signing.
     
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  24. Union42

    Union42 Member+

    Jul 29, 2013
    Swarthmore, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More like Sugardaddy would have to pay him a lot more if he had a playoff win on his resume, so it would be a moneyball move to extend his contract now in case they actually win one and his price goes up.
     
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  25. ScottyMac26

    ScottyMac26 Member+

    Jan 13, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Trying hard to wrap my head around a “too successful,too expensive “ Curtin. But @Union42 raises an interesting thought experiment, what if the Union have a deep run or, since we’re bored, win MLS Cup. Jimmy is now a free agent with silverware and a big club steals away “the gaffer” with riches.

    Who do you want or think we get?

    Caleb Porter

    Pat Noonan

    Tab Ramos want to run a club?

    Some random German from Ernst’s Rolodex?

    Conor Casey if he doesn’t lose the interim tag?
     
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