The fight against modern Soccer(football) 2

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  1. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    I would not be at the wrong place at the wrong time. My behavior when I am overseas is so non-threatening that no one would ever mistake me as a hooligan.

    I came upon a demonstration in Rome in front of the Presidential palace. The only reason I was upset was that police were blocking me from the Roma store!

    I went around the demonstration. Came back to the Roma store the next day.

    If a policeman raised a baton to me overseas I would be backing off so fast they would have to chase me. My guess is they would have other people to worry about instead of me.
     
  2. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Country:
    England
    You don't always need to be doing something that would make you look like a hooligan.

    A guy I know was in Turin in 1990 to see England. He was in a bar after the game and the police came round to the bars saying the Italian fans were out in force, looking for English fans. They were ushered out of the bar for their own protection. They were taken away in vans to a safe area a short distance away which was some kind of warehouse.

    There, they were then given some forms to sign (in Italian) which turned out to be deportation orders. As I recall they were told it was a form consenting to be moved for their own safety. They were then taken from the warehouse to the airport, where they were put on a plane and deported from the country.

    The plane had been chartered something like a week in advance (the number of seats, by remarkable coincidence, exactly matched the number of people deported), and the Italian media made a big show of deporting the English "hooligans"
     
  3. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Country:
    Norway
    Im sorry , are you really that naive?
    As recently as January there was a father with his son that was in his fathers arms of the hockey game between Djurgården and AIK that tasted the baton. A girl of 13 years standing to cry in a corner fell to coal and also got to taste the police fury.

    It happens weither you want to believe it or not.
     
  4. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    People only get battered if there is a reason for it. I have been to Europe many times. Never battered. If a policeman/policewoman asks me to do something it is always Yes sir, Yes Maam. No questions asked from me.
     
  5. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Country:
    England
    That's not true. That's not to say it happens with regularity, but it used to be common practice for police officers to remove their identification numbers when dealing with football crowds. Many saw it as "being let off the leash" as it were.
     
  6. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Country:
    United States
    That's blatantly not true.

    So, what would a 13 year old girl do to deserve being beaten by a cop?
     
  7. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Country:
    Norway
    Do you really believe that ?
     
  8. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Obviously that is unacceptable. I have never seen it. With cell phones able to record things nowadays and most people having one, I find it hard pressed for police to be that stupid.
     
  9. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    I don't know shat 13 year old girl you are talking about.
     
  10. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    I do believe that. Does that mean it has never happened where someone was innocent? Unfortunately , probably not. I don't think it happens as often as you think.
     
  11. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Country:
    United States
    Vifvaf posted that a 13 year old girl was beaten by cops in Sweden. You then said everyone was beaten for a reason. What's the reason?
     
  12. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Country:
    Norway
    So it isn`t true because you have not seen it ???? :D:D:D

    Hahah you are something else.
     
  13. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Country:
    Norway
    I have not said anything about how often it happens. One time is one time to many.
    Terminator police is getting more and more common. Police hides their helmet numbers .
    Im not trying to say fans , demonstrates or protestor are innocent . But when a father with his young son in his arms get bashed with batons and a young girl gets beaten to blood by police in a hockey match you have to agree that something is wrong.


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  14. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Country:
    Norway
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po0dZfS2CDg"]Showsec & GMP Disgrace - YouTube[/ame]
     
  15. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001

    Maybe vifvaf can post a link in English.
     
  16. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Would like to know the origin or caption from the USA picture.
     
  17. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Country:
    Norway
    Do you mean a link with an incident from England ?
     
  18. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Country:
    Norway
  19. BarraUru

    BarraUru Member

    Apr 18, 2011
    Montevideo
    Club:
    CA Peñarol
    Country:
    Uruguay
    Thank god that modern football shit hasn't reached Uruguay nor Argentina..

    Last week, Racing - All Boys in Argentina (Look at the supporters at the 2º goal)


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwxOp93b908"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwxOp93b908[/ame]


    No seater stadium :cool:
     
  20. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    A link that talks about the 13 year old girl from Sweden.
     
  21. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    These students were part of a demonstration that was illegal. If you read the story they put up tents when the university stated no one could protest overnight. They are part of the Occupy movement in California. That movement has been very violent in the US as well as protesting in areas without permits, when you need one. Many protests have been filled with illegal drug use, illicit sex in public, deplorable living conditions due to protesters not cleaning up after themselves.

    To paint those people pictured as innocent, not so much.

    If what the police did was illegal then the President of the University would have been fired. I don't remember her leaving. It says the President of the University stayed for two hours to answer questions about the incident. That to me says she was standing up and taking responsibility for the action.
     
  22. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Country:
    Norway
    I`l see what i can find. But this what im talking about. There are incidents besides the one you get to hear about. And much of it isn`t in English.
     
  23. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Country:
    Norway
    You and me must have a very different view of how a police officer should behave . serve and protect. This is not protecting and who are they seving?
    This clip show a peacefull crowd sitting and protesting . Then without any aggressive behavior , no threats or threatening behavior the police officer spray people sitting down. That can not be according to the protocol in any country.
    What reason would this police officer have to spray theese people with pepperspray? For using their freedom of speach ?

    So you mean as long as no authority is punished then no criminal acts has accured???
     
  24. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    We don't know what the whole story was. You would have to see what had transpired prior to this picture being taken. As I said, the Occupy movement has been very destructive. Espescially on the West Coast in Oakland. Without all of the facts, no one can make any judgment one way or another.

    If we had a video of prior to this event, then we could better judge what happened?
     
  25. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    I can't comment on anything that I don't know about. I can only take you at your word. I am sure you wouldn't make anything up to prove a point.
     

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