The fight against modern Soccer(football) 2

As I said earlier in England the security is very tight. One thing struck me when I was at White Hart Lane. Whenever there was a goal (and there were six that day) the stewards went to the front of the section near the field level and looked up away from the field. Until things settled down.

Also the number of mounted police that were outside the stadium before the game. Their presence was intimidating.

 

In terms of the war, America was involved too.

 

I felt that the strong police presence on foot and horseback help keep fans in line.

It disappoints me that fans in Europe can't follow their American counterparts and coexist in all areas of the stadium. I bet the atmosphere would be better than what you currently have.

Having travelled to Europe, it does my heart good to see fans on platforms waiting for transportation, even though they support different teams.

In terms of the league in Denmark, it might be a great league. But, if I could see it - then you would be unhappy. The network would change start times, have a Sunday night game, Monday night game etc.

 

It depends what you mean by "atmosphere".

There's no way that having 1000 away fans scattered around a 20,000 crowd will aid the kind of back-and-forth banter between home and away fans that you get over here.

If I was away, I'd also much rather celebrate a goal/win in a section full of away fans than in with home fans. It's not just a safety issue. It used to be quite common in the past for seated areas to be unsegregated, and there were times when I used the seats (normally when it was raining and the away end was uncovered). I never had any problems celebrating goals among home fans on those occasions, but it wasn't as much fun.

I don't think crowd trouble is quite as certain as you might think. I recall a match at Reading's old Elm Park in 1994, 1st v 2nd. with our ground limited to 12000 at the time, the home ends sold out (pay-on-the-day cash admission back then), so around 800 fans went round to the away end and went in there instead, doubling the away support. There was no trouble at all.

 

At least from my experiences in Germany, there was never that strict of security. I got to go to a fairly contentious rivalry, Erzgebirge Aue v. Rot-Weiss Erfurt and there weren't cops everywhere. There were no problems at the game, as well.

Having lots of cops doesn't mean that there won't be problems. It never stops fighting at Red Star-Partizan games.

 

Here in Braunschweig for more critical games 1000 to 2000 cops, with a 24.000 capacity stadium, isn't uncommon.

 

You don't know history very well. At least American history. December 7, 1941. Pearl Harbor. Fortunately the Japanese didn't launch a third strike. That would have been the death blow to the Pacific fleet. One of the reasons they didn't was they didn't know where the American carriers were. They didn't have surprise anymore. Had they and destroyed the rest of the Pacific fleet, they could have invaded inland all the way to Chicago before the US could have stopped them.

Fortunately the carriers weren't in Pearl that day. They came after the Japanese had left. More luck than anything else.

I think America let Japan know how it felt on August 6, 1945.

 

That will get you thrown out of a ground and rightly so. Those fans that perform such acts have no right. You may think it funny, but that is destruction of private property.

That is not how to advance your cause.

 

You can't fix stupid.

 

The horses are BIG and usually the police on them are BIG. I do whatever they tell me. Hopefully, after I ask, they let my wife pet them.

Look at USA 1994. No issues ( of course England weren't there). Look at Germany 2006, there were some issues. Why?

 

Well imagine the roar when your team is away and coming from around the stadium instead of one section of the stadium.

 

That's not how it works.

 

Yeah, Pearl Harbour obviously destroyed the infrastructure of the mainland US comparable to 4 or 5 years of foreign occupation and/or air strikes or batlles on and within major population centers.

 

I consider Pearl Harbor as an attack on the US. No, the mainland wasn't attacked. Thankfully. The West Coast was vulnerable though. Fortunately, the Japanese didn't realize how much.

 

Red Star and Partizan fans are notoriously stupid. An overdose of police helps hooligans understand that it is not worth it. Red Star and Partizan fans haven't come to the realization yet. They may never.

Like I said, you can't fix stupid.

From what I have seen in England it seems they have received the message.

Like I said, it does my heart good standing on a train platform seeing fans of both teams standing side by side on the platform peacefully.