Galatasaray again? Did you see their game with Dortmund? The referee should have abandoned the match. Galatasaray fans threw flares into Dortmund supporters sections. When is UEFA going to do something? How can you think this is ok? The Dortmund coach did not seem amused. Maybe UEFA needs to ban away travel for Galatasaray fans seeing how this is the second incident away.
Im not ok with this Shapes. Throwing flares into a mass of spectatours i not ok. Im sure UEFA will punnish Galatasaray. One problem may be that UEFA and FIFA isn`t very popular theese days. Blatter had to be saved by riot police in Zürich where he held a lecture in a University. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/05/riot-police-protesters-smoke-bomb-sepp-blatter Feyenoord fans changed one of the flags at De Kuip stadium before the match against Rijeka Sporting CP vs Schalke 04 (05.11.2014) "Fans of Sporting against uefa in the start of match"
Popular or not UEFA need to do something. Maybe no fans at away matches for Galatasaray. Something needs to be done. I am glad you are on board.
Brilliant video. I despise UEFA. Hate what they've done to football and European club competitions. Don't even watch European football anymore, but pleased that other fans hate them too!!!
No fans is probably what they will do. But do you think it will help ? Probably not ! To throw flares into a spectator section is stupid. But i find a collective punishment foolish .It does not work. I think educational attitude work is the way to go. Communication and dialog is the only way to go.
There needs to be communication & dialogue. That's how things improve. I'll say this - there are parts of modern football that have been good. It's helped a bit in Poland, where the grounds were crumbling and the stadiums were overrunning with right-wing extremist hooligans. Some of the changes have stopped fighting in the crowds and you're not seeing the far-right symbols as frequently as before. It's not where it needs to be, but it's helped a bit.
That would maybe solve the problem this season and maybe the next season. But overall a short-term solution. I think you have to handle this in a different way. Yes there must be consequenses for the actions . But is away bans the way to go ? I think the Turks handled this topic well them self. And im sure there are sevral ways to handle this issue .
Sweden AIK Article about young people get priced out from football and lack of atmosphere http://www.fsf.org.uk/blog/view/Jos...e-his-power-to-give-the-Bridge-its-voice-back
I guess that works for one game, but eventually the men will be back in, correct? Is that going to change the behavior of the men? I doubt it. They aren't/can't give 40000 free tickets to every game? Are they? The ugly head of pyro reared again in the Italy/Croatia Euro qualifier yesterday with flares being thrown on the pitch and the game being stopped.
Im not sure if it was more then one match. Still that is something that could be adapted to the length of the punishment. They could give away 40 000 every match they had to play with out fans. Couldn`t they. ?At least they would make money on food/drinks and supporter artifacts. And if this where to happen on several acations , they could start to charge maybe 50% on ticket. The point is to find solutions instead of only bans. Again i am not for throwing flares on the pitch. But do you know the reason behind this actions ? Here is the headline from a Danish paper after the Euro qualifier : Murder and millions is why the Croatian fans went amok . http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/fodbold/landsholdsfodbold/article5308717.ece What do you think about the situation where a young Lyon fan was hit by a flashball fired by cops near stadium? He's still in intensive care right now and probably blind on his right eye.
The problem is that there would be a drop in REVENUE. Something you don't seem to care about. I am sure Fehnerbace has a budget for the year based on anticipated revenue. Even letting fans in for one game lowers the revenue for the club. To do it for half the season would greatly diminish revenue. To charge 50 percent for tickets again, drops revenue. Revenue is the financial lifeblood of the club. My assumption is the Turkish League doesn't get as much TV revenue as the Premier league (or the NFL where NFL clubs could make money without ticket revenue) to where ticket revenue is insignificant. In terms of the Lyon situation I am going to assume the police needed to use that for crowd control. I wasn't there (neither were you) so I am going to have to give the police the benefit of the doubt.
in this you would be wrong. i wasn't "there", meaning i was a couple of hundred yards away and had no idea ANYTHING was going on there. in other words it wasn't the normandy invasion. the policeman who fired this flashball made a big mistake. both his aim and his decision were wrong acc to departmental guidelines, which themselves are under scrutiny after a series of incidents in the past year, not only in relation to football. that said, the ones doing the fighting are punks who don't belong in stadiums and who don't belong to organized supp groups.
How am i not thinking about revenue when im am suggesting to let inn some people or find some solutions at the matches you suggested the clubs should play without support?
I guess you were there? I will always side with the authorities. Just watching the video - to my untrained eye it looks like a flashball was warranted.
Because as I said - like most businesses Fehnerbace has a budgeted amount of revenue. Just by letting those 40000 fans in, they probably guarantee they will lose money for the year. If they did it more than once, it is certain they will lose money for the year. Even to sell tickets at half price, makes sure they don't reach their budgeted amount for the year.
Yup. The police would never do anything wrong. They're always correct. That, everyone, is right-wing American politics for you. The cops are always right.
Not what I said. I give the police the benefit of the doubt unless presented with evidence otherwise. Are there bad policemen? Sure there are, and they need to be found out and removed. However, when presented with minimal evidence as we have seen above - I will err on the side of caution and believe the police are trying to do the right thing. Did the policeman try and shoot the fan in the eye with the flashball? I doubt it. Unfortunately "in the fog of an incident" things unfortunately happen. Police should be given the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise. They put their lives on the line every day to protect us. In return they should get some latitude in some incidents.
jeez, talk about lost in translation... that video isn't even OF the incident; it's of last week's march in protest of what happened. NO flashballs were used (or needed) in the making of that video! always? like always always? rodney king? kent state? vel d'hiv'? hail grimes!