The "Fifa Ballon d'Or" is over, back to the "Ballon d'Or FF"

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  1. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
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    The "Ballon d'Or" will be be run by France Football, without the FIFA (like since 2008) which has officialy ended its association with the French mag yesterday.
    FF will annouce the details of the new formula on next tuesday, in his mag. It would be to elect the 'best player in Europe'.
    The beautiful golden trophy will be awarded in January 2017.

    All the late "FIFA Ballon d'or" have been awarded to only two players between 2010 and 2016 : 4 to Messi (2010, 11, 12, 15) and 2 to C. Ronaldo (2013, 2014). Kaka is the last winner of the "Ballon d'or" who is not the Argentine or the Portuguese up to now. In 2007, the Brazilian was also awarded "best player in the world" by the FIFA. And up to now, it's a tie between Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo in terms of "Ballon d'or FF" won as the Real Madrid star won his first ultimate individual award in 2008, when playing for Manchester United, and that the gold nugget of FC Barcelona Leo Messi won it the next year, in 2009 (last "Ballon d'or FF" up to now).

    So will Messi succeed himself in the "Ballon d'or FF" palmares and in the "Ballon d'or" palmares in general or will it be Ronaldo to inaugurate this new era of the "Ballon d'or". Or will it be somebody else? Why not? As the voting method and criterias of election for this 2016 edition remain to be precised in the next issue of FF.

    More precisions on next tuesday.
     
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  2. AD78

    AD78 Member+

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    Who wins is irrelevant to me but I am glad France Football are moving away from FIFA with this award, one was journalisst view and one was national team manager plus captains vote and often the views were pretty different. I always found the France Football award far more credible (talking more top 20 than winners) and the FIFA one was a popularity vote, a good WC seem to guarantee you a bunch of votes for the next year irrespective of performances and big names always get votes whether they deserved them or not.
     
  3. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

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    2010*
    Sorry for the error in the very first sentence, after that it's all ok about dates.
     
  4. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
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    Feb 28, 2005
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    You could still check who the European journalists voted for and figure out if Messi/ Ronaldo would have still won every year.
     
  5. AD78

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    Of the top of my head I know 2010 Sneijder would have won, not sure about other years, tehre was an article somewhere I will try to dig out.
     
  6. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    According to wiki the Ballon D'or was voted on only by European journalists (as it was an European award), but shortly before the FIFA merger of the awards, it started including journalists form around the world.
     
  7. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

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    #8 wm442433, Sep 19, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2016
    The new rules :

    Journalists only, from around the world ('like before', not 'since always' like Celito explained but yes like slightly before the partnership FIFA-FF).

    The shortlist of players will be extended to 30 (against 23 during the FIFA-France Football partnership).
    The intermediate phase that consisted in the announcement of three finalists is removed.
    The winner and the complete ranking will be revealed at the end of the calendar year (so in December).

    http://www.francefootball.fr/news/V...gements-du-ballon-d-or-france-football/728964
     
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  8. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

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    how about 2013
     
  9. AD78

    AD78 Member+

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    #10 AD78, Sep 20, 2016
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    Good call, thing Ribery had it then I believe.
     
  10. AD78

    AD78 Member+

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    Big improvement, why limit to 23, it becomes very difficult and hard to call players in whether 20-25 or 30, just get 30 in and if they get no votes so be it, I would actually say you can vote for who you like. Also good decsion to not bother with the intermediate phase, just announce the winner and whole list at the same time for god's sake...... I wonder how FIFA's award will work, coach vote plus player vote plus instagram likes plus twitter followers or something cr*p.
     
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  11. Raute

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    I believe Sneijder and Ribery would have won. Especially, 2013 Ribery got 80 1st votes in media voting, it was more than sum of C.Ronaldo(48) and Messi(30).
     
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  12. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

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    Same here.
    Around 98-2000 it was 50 nominees. Amongst the 20 or so who received no votes, there was some players who could have earned 1 or 2 pts just like the ones who ranked between 20th and 30th (or why not a bit more than 1 or 2 pts even, concerning a few, but generally it was not a scandal that they did not make the final ranking so 30 is probably a good number...but we can see that with 50 the selection operates "naturally" so to speak, so maybe 30 is a bit unfair to the ones who comes 31st or 33rd on some supposed pre-list).
    Should be 35...
     
  13. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    I think once you get beyond a certain point, any votes people get are just tokenism. When you only have 3 picks it is very hard to make a real case for, say, Gareth Bale last year. So any one that votes for him in the top 3 is making a strange choice.

    I have just been doing a big exercise going through every player ever nominated for the Ballon d'Or and there are tons where people have made a bizarre and seemingly random choice.
     
  14. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    Overall I think this is a good idea. Go back to having two separate awards and remove the taint of FIFA from France Football's award.
     
  15. AD78

    AD78 Member+

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    Are the journalists going to vote 1-5 liek the old days? This was a far better method in my view than 1-3.
     
  16. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Don't know. It was better I thought as well.

    Part of the problem in recent years is that the 23 man shortlist has been consistently poor. Big names favoured over those who have genuinely deserved it.
     
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  17. AD78

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    Compeltely agree, the 23 has often been very poor and far to big name centric, the big plus with 1-5 votes is often places 3-5 or even 2-5 may not be much difference but 2 have to be excluded when only voting 1-3, there are certain players who often are very unlikely top 3 but good shout for top 5 and end up way lower in voting as lose out to all the same coutnry, same side bias that is horrendous in player & coach voting.
     
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  18. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

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    * in the world... like since 2007.

    It is not precised. Not on the website, nor in the mag on paper (exact same stuff).

    + the date announced (by the end of December) may change. There's still no locked precise date anyway and even about the period of time around which the ranking will be revealed, there is not any definitive decision.
     
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  19. wm442433

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    France Football is revealing the list of the 30 nominees for the Ballon d'Or today on its website, every 2 hours five by five.

    It's in alpahbetical order. For now :

    Sergio Agüero
    Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
    Gareth Bale
    Gianluigi Buffon
    Cristiano Ronaldo
    Kevin de Bruyne
    Paulo Dybala
    Diego Godin
    Antoine Griezmann
    Gonzalo Higuain


    It should end up around 8 o'clock.
     
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  20. wm442433

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    The complete ranking will be revealed December the 13th, 2016.
     
  21. AD78

    AD78 Member+

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    Similar time to the old Ballon d'or and not that shower of **** combined with FIFA and that horrendous gala in mid January....hopefully this will spare us of Jimmy Nesbitt's hair dye calamity unless FIFA use him again for thier award.......
     
  22. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

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    Interestingly, FF seems to mock/ criticize the 2015 list in its comments for the 2016 nominees (or maybe not... maybe a bit though)

    The first 10 nominees with the "why's they're here" (translation attempt) :

    Sergio Agüero
    Argentine. 28 years. 79 caps, 34 goals. Position : striker. Club : Manchester City.
    Palmarès 2016 : League Cup. BO 2015 : 13th.
    Why he deserves to be here : 34 goals in all competitions including 22 in the Premier League, that is his record in 2016. Most of all, he seems safe from injuries now. And Agüero in full-form is an Agüero necessarily in the 30.

    Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
    Gabonese. 27 years. 51 caps, 21 goals. Position : striker. Club : Borussia Dortmund.
    Palmarès 2016: none. BO 2015 : not listed.
    Why he deserves to be here : the Gabonese took it to the next level in 2015 and confirmed in 2016. The former "Vert", very regular with Borussia Dortmund, is henceforth one of the very best goleadors in Europe.

    Gareth Bale
    Welsh. 27 years. 64 caps, 25 goals. Position : striker. Club : Real Madrid.
    Palmarès 2016 : Champions League. BO 2015 : 16th.
    Why he deserves to be here : the year 2016 would have been the one of the consistancy for Gareth Bale. Efficient in the game of Real, with which he won the CL, the Welsh has most of all lead his country to an unexpected semi-final during the Euro 2016.

    Gianluigi Buffon
    Italian. 38 years. 165 caps. Position : keeper. Club : Juventus.
    Palmarès 2016 : Italian league. BO 2015 : not listed.
    Why he deserves to be here : he makes his come-back in the nominees list. Throughout a year during which nothing or almost can really be reproached to him. He could not do anything in front of Bayern in the CL Round of 16 and has stopped 3 German shots during the penalty shootout in the quarter-finals at the Euro. The whole thing with a Scudetto with Juve.

    Cristiano Ronaldo
    Portuguese. 31 years. 135 caps, 66 goals. Position : striker. Club : Real Madrid.
    Palmarès 2016 : Euro, Champions League. BO 2015 : 2nd.
    Why he deserves to be here : do we really need to say why? Without being brillinat during the two finals won, the Portuguese has lifted the CL and the Euro trophies. Essential in the previous rounds, CR7 continued to show an extraordinary realism.

    Kevin De Bruyne
    Belgian. 25 years. 47 caps/ 12 goals. Position : midfielder. Club : Manchester City.
    Palmarès 2016 : none. BO 2015 : 18th
    Why he deserves to be here : more and more he took a certain dimension under the Guardiola's command. An upward trajectory started at City well before the arrival of the Catalan coach as he has reached the CL semis.

    Paulo Dybala
    Argentine. 22 years. 6 caps. Position : striker. Club : Juventus.
    Palmarès/ BO 2015 : no text
    Why he deserves to be here : if we are still waiting for his first goal with the Argentina national team (with which he did not participate to the Copa America), Paulo Dybala was a delightful player to watch in the Serie A.

    Diego Godin
    Uruguayan. 30 years. 105 caps, 8 goals. Position : defender. Club : Atlético Madrid.
    Palmarès 2016: none. BO 2015 : not listed.
    Why he deserves to be here : let's give the floor to the defence, to courage, to the determination and to the the talent of the Uruguyan rock, leader of the Colchoneros defence. A defence which serves as the model in Europe.

    Antoine Griezmann
    French. 25 years. 38 caps, 14 goals. Position : striker. Club : Atlético Madrid.
    Palmarès 2016 : Euro top scorer (6 goals). BO 2015 : not listed.
    Why he deserves to be here : Double loosing finalist, he has moreover missed a penalty in the CL Final against Real Madrid. Nevertheless. Best scorer and player at the Euro he has taken it to the next level.

    Gonzalo Higuain
    Argentine. 28 years. 65 caps, 32 goals. Position : striker. Club : Naples then Juventus.
    Palmarès 2016: Serie A top scorer (36 goals). BO 2015 : not listed.
    Why he deserves to be here : the scoring-machine of the Italian league, who also distinguished himself at the Copa America (4 marks in 6 games). And it is far, but well far to be over...
     
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  23. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

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    So many Serie A players included? Feels bizarre.
     
  24. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

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    I guess that it will be more diluted once the complete list of 30 will be revealed. But that's true that it's 3 on 10 for the moment, due to the alphabetical order.
     

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