The Expansion Draft Thread (updated with results)

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Ismitje, Nov 24, 2008.

  1. miked9

    miked9 Member+

    May 4, 2000
    Philadelphia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    fyi - Mauricio Matamoros = Mauricio Castro


    personally I wouldn't be sad to see Wells Thompson or Khano Smith get picked from the Revs. I wouldn't be pleased to see Badilla go, particularly with Parkhurst not certain to come back. I also kinda like Castro but that's less of an issue.
     
  2. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Re: List of available players in expansion draft

    Why is Jovan Kirovski listed on the Galaxy?
     
  3. guamster

    guamster Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    Winnetka, CA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Guam
    Re: List of available players in expansion draft

    Things move fast around here:

    More United and MLS News - Steve Goff, Soccer Insider

     
  4. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    Here are the players that stand out to me as real bargains:

    Marco Pappa
    Adam Moffat
    Alex Zotinca
    Ray Burse
    John Wolyniec
    Jeff Parke
    Rohan Ricketts

    Is there something about internationals Pappa, Moffat and Ricketts that make them less desirable? I mean, there are a lot of new int'l spots, right?

    Guys like Andy Williams, O'Brien, Razov etc. may have another year or two in them, but aren't real bargains.
     
  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    This differs from the MLS press release last month:

    Given that the Rapids exposed both Facundo Erpen and Tom McManus I'd say Seattle's press release is incorrect.
     
  6. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    Huh? Quite a few players have been acquired for a transfer fee.
     
  7. burud111

    burud111 Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    Connecticut
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    I would take: (Assuming Jaqua will be traded in turn for No HOU players)

    ------------Jaqua(HOU)*--------LeToux(SEA)------------
    -----------------------Ljungberg(SEA)--------------------
    Banner(CHI)----------------------------------Gaven(CLB)
    ------------------------Wicky(CHV)-----------------------
    Wahl(KC)-----Sturgis(RSL)-----Parke(NY)------Klein(LA)
    ------------------------Keller(SEA)------------------------

    M Nyassi (SEA)
    M Mediate (DC)
    D Badilla (NE)
    D Pitchkolan (DAL)

    Various others I considered:
    1. Is Gaven going to be out of contract?
    2. Ante Razov
    3. Marco Pappa (Hes on loan, if he would go to Seattle, Id take him)
    4. Greg Dalby (potential)
    5. Tom McManus (if I wanted another forward)
    6. Victor Sikora (experienced talent)
    7. Louis Crayton (screw DC over)
    8. Peralta/Martinez(DC)(if they wanted to come to Seattle)
    9. Wade Barrett(if theres no Jaqua deal)
    10. Khano Smith (speedy boneheaded LM)
    11. Matthew Mbuta (i like him)
    12. Ronnie O'Brien (large salary tho)
    13. Johann Smith (foreign player i think)
     
  8. burud111

    burud111 Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    Connecticut
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: List of available players in expansion draft

    ^^^
    That lineup is ~1.12 million plus 400k for DP and maybe 250k or 300k for Keller. So it totals ~1.8mil for 15 players leaving ~600k for 9 more players. If I've taken up too many dollars with an expansion draft, then I might consider Moffat instead of Gaven for a savings of ~150k, despite his foreign status.
     
  9. mcnaulty21

    mcnaulty21 Member

    Feb 6, 2007
    Wisconsin
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    Yank
     
  10. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    Chivas USA

    Flores, Jorge

    Kennedy, Dan

    Razov, Ante

    Vaughn, Lawson *



    Chicago Fire

    Banner, Michael

    King, Stephen *

    Marmol, Lider

    Pappa, Marco Pablo

    Woolard, Daniel



    Colorado Rapids

    Burciaga, Jose

    Cooke, Terry *

    Kimura, Kosuke

    McManus, Tom

    Petke, Mike




    Columbus Crew

    Evans, Brad

    Gaven, Eddie *

    Lenhart, Steven

    Miglioranzi, Stefani

    Moffat, Adam

    Noonan, Pat




    FC Dallas

    Burse, Ray

    Pitchkolan, Aaron

    Sikora, Victor *




    D.C. United

    Cordeiro, Ryan

    Crayton, Louis

    Doe, Francis

    Dyachenko, Rod

    Martinez, Gonzalo *




    Houston Dynamo

    Ashe, Corey

    Barrett, Wade

    Caig, Tony

    Ianni, Patrick

    Jaqua, Nate *

    Mulrooney, Richard

    Waibel, Craig




    Kansas City Wizards

    Hohlbein, Aaron

    Morsink, Kurt

    Pore, Ryan

    Thompson, Abe *

    Wahl, Tyson

    Watson, Lance



    Los Angeles Galaxy

    Allen, Ely

    Cronin, Steve

    Klein, Chris *

    Randolph, Michael

    Tudela, Josh




    New England Revolution

    Angulo, Jose

    Badilla, Gabriel *

    Phelan, Pat





    New York Red Bulls

    Jimenez, Diego *

    Magee, Mike

    Mbuta, Andongcho

    Mendes, Carlos

    Parke, Jeff

    Wolyniec, John



    Real Salt Lake

    Deuchar, Kenneth

    Joy, Ian

    Kovalenko, Dema

    Sturgis, Nathan *




    San Jose Earthquakes

    Grabavoy, Ned

    O'Brien, Ronnie *

    Riley, James




    Toronto FC

    Smith, Johann *
     
  11. SweetOwnGoal

    SweetOwnGoal Member

    Jan 5, 2003
    11.9986 km from BMO Field
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    Ricketts made $200,004 in 2008.
     
  12. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    Pappa is here on a loan, he has no chance of playing for another team.

    Ricketts has a high salary and has very little chance of being selected.
     
  13. BSGuy321

    BSGuy321 Member

    Sep 2, 2008
    Re: List of available players in expansion draft

    Some decent players available for Seattle
     
  14. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    Wicky was hurt before he came to MLS and now is still hurt. A year older and on turf? Nah.

    Moffat is the bigtime pick at d-mid, I think.

    I'd take Zotinca over Klein--I think he has a lower salary and is somewhat younger and can play a variety of positions.

    I've never seen LeToux play, so I don't know if he'd be complementary to Jaqua. I certainly don't think the Ching-Jaqua combo was very good.

    There are some real wildcards out there like Dejair--who knows what he can really do?

    I also think Francis Doe is better than advertised as a 3rd or 4th forward--DC certainly used him enough in desperation.
     
  15. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    International slots are the easiest to fill in terms of finding comparable talent. It is far harder to pick up quality game ready US players because they are usually either already starting for an MLS team or they are playing abroad for more money. You have to do some scouting but you can find players that are as good as the unprotected international players at roughly the same price (that isn't to say there aren't some bargains though.

    If I'm Seattle I pick up the following players:

    Chi: Marmol .Only if NY is interested in him still and there is someone to get from NY.
    CUSA: Talley. Quality starting Midfielder in MLS. Flores if they are looking for a substitute striker).
    Clmb: Tough choice here. I like gaven, noonan, and evans. Any of the 3 are good in my book.
    FCD: Burse. Young, athletic, and has shown he can spot start if needed. A few years under Keller will do wonders.
    LA: Randolph. Not the best defender but cheap and somewhat versatile.
    RSL: Sturgis. Can play when not injured. Could also command some trade value. Ian Joy might be a good defensive pick up unless you take......
    Hou: Barrett. Nate the tall would be the logical choice here, except I think the offensive talent is better than the defensive talent.
    NY: I'd take a flyer on Touray. Lot of upside if you want a project. Otherwise not a lot to pick from here (but better than other teams).
    NE: Possibly Tierney. I like what I have seen from him in the games he has played.
    TFC: Johann Smith. Not a lot of options left and I think he has some upside.

    This draft has some real good talent but they are clustered onto the same teams (like Columbus and Houston). The big issue for Seattle is that they already signed Keller so most teams can leave their starters unprotected knowing that Seattle won't pick them or if they do they don't have bargaining power. This allowed teams to protect one additional field player that otherwise would have been left unprotected.
     
  16. scott47a

    scott47a Member+

    Seattle Sounders FC; Arsenal FC
    Feb 6, 2007
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    Honestly I think there is a lot about contracts that as fans we don't know.

    So people speculate on Pappa without understanding his loan deal or on Gonzalo Martinez after DC has already uninvited him (see Goff) for next year and he could be on his way back to S. America.

    That makes all of this speculation tough -- but fun, too.

    I'd say that Wade Barrett and Brad Evans stand out to me as the plumb picks on the lists, with defensive players like Riley, Burciaga, Prideaux, Vaughn, Zotinca, Jimenez, Joy and even Velez as possibilities.

    The back line is empty at this point and needs some players with MLS-level experience.

    I think the team already plans on signing Chris Eylander from USL Sounders as second keeper -- so a keeper pick is a trade deal. And I think the teams know that, which is why so many starting MLS keepers were left exposed.
     
  17. burud111

    burud111 Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    Connecticut
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    In that case I think I'll go:

    I would take: (Assuming Jaqua will be traded in turn for No HOU players)

    ------------Jaqua(HOU)*--------LeToux(SEA)------------
    -----------------------Ljungberg(SEA)--------------------
    Pappa(CHI)-----------------------------------Sikora(DAL)
    ------------------------Moffat(CLB)-----------------------
    Wahl(KC)-----Sturgis(RSL)-----Parke(NY)------Klein(LA)
    ------------------------Keller(SEA)------------------------

    M Nyassi (SEA)
    M Mediate (DC)
    D Badilla (NE)
    D Vaughn (CHV)

    ~1.65 mil for the whole new 15 man roster.
     
  18. GOALSeattle

    GOALSeattle Member

    Oct 13, 2007
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    Feel like troubleshooting with my initial draft list?

    Chicago Fire - Brandon Prideaux
    Columbus Crew - Eddie Gaven
    FC Dallas - Aaron Pitchkolan
    DC United - Quavas Kirk
    Houston Dynamo - Nate Jaqua
    KC Wizards - Tyson Wahl
    NE Revolution - Khano Smith
    NY Red Bulls - Jeff Parke
    RSL - Ian Joy
    SJ Earthquakes - Ned Grabavoy

    Reasonings:
    * We have a few offensive players already in the pipeline
    * A goalkeeper (Eylander) likely to sign, too
    * We need defenders and toughness in midfield
     
  19. CommonSense

    CommonSense Member

    Jul 12, 2006
    Portland
    Re: List of available players in expansion draft

    So, a few months after Chicago refused to let Marmol play in NY, they put him on the expansion list.

    Stay classy, Fire FO.

    Not much real talent available for Seattle. I'm a bit surprised Gaven's on the list, but I supposed Rogers and Ekpo make him expendable.

    I'd be rather surprised if Seattle didn't pick him up. There's a few names that pop out, but most of those are to be avoided considering contract size/injury history (Ronnie O'Brian, Rasov).
     
  20. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007
    Re: List of available players in expansion draft

    If i was Seattle i would got straight for youth and excitment on the wings. Bring in Both Gaven and Johann Smith. Eddie gaven might not be the once explosive kid with Metrostars anymore, but with a new team maybe he can?
     
  21. ttujosh

    ttujosh Member

    Mar 9, 2003
    Dallas, Tx
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    I am surprised that Columbus has two of their starting mids in Evans and Gaven available. I dont follow the club, just saying its surprising they were good enough to start on Sunday, then 24 hrs later are on the block.
     
  22. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    Moffat was the early season starter, then got hurt. Seattle can have one, but not both. Either way, we are covered. Gaven could also play in that spot, or even Noonan.

    Gaven. Makes close to 200k (165?) depending on how one counts, and Noonan is also close to that level (or more). Again, you can have one, but not both. And we also have depth at the spot, with Ekpo and even Evans. Though he doesn't play enough D yet, the thought of Ekpo on one side and Rogers on the other should absolutely terrify MLS defenses.

    Marshall. Unsure of his status. Leaving Gaven and Evans open allowed us to protect 9/11 of the starters, (Ekpo and Iro were the bench players protected). If Marshall leaves for Europe (he is out of contract) we then would need Iro to partner O'Rourke in CD. If he was left open and selected, we'd have serious CB problems. Iro is huge (6'5") and not as polished as Marshall, but is already dominant in the air. And Ekpo has insane talent and ball skills. You'll see.
     
  23. Missionary

    Missionary Member

    Jul 13, 2003
    Mission Viejo
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    If Evan goes I predict Sigi will go to Seattle.
     
  24. Missionary

    Missionary Member

    Jul 13, 2003
    Mission Viejo
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    I am not as high on Ekpo as others. I would much rather have Gaven. Keep in mind Ekpo is totally right footed. Gaven plays both sides.
     
  25. Oddpac87

    Oddpac87 Member

    May 28, 2007
    Union Beach, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Expansion Draft Thread

    A lot of good players out there for Seattle to look at. If they wanted to put most all their cap towards the starting 11 they could field a pretty scary team. Here is what I would do if I was them.

    Ante Razov
    Lider Marmol
    Mike Petke
    Adam Moffat
    Ben Olsen
    Pat Onstad (trade bait much!?)
    Jeff Parke
    Dema Kovalenko
    Ned Grabavoy
    Rohan Ricketts

    ..............Keller..............
    ...................................
    ..Marmol...Petke...Parke...
    ..................................
    ............Kovalenko..........
    ...................................
    ...Olsen..Moffat..Ricketts..
    ...................................
    ...........Ljungberg............
    ....................................
    ......Razov.......Le Toux.....

    Now, it is kind of silly, because that line-up alone would be a little over 2 million. But, depending on how much the cap gets increased, it could be doable.
     

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