The Did you know thread. Uselss, but fascinating trivia, facts and stories

Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by Excape Goat, Oct 17, 2007.

  1. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Hong Kong
    Real Madrid
    Landon Donovan is the first former U-16 WC Golden Ball winner to play in the full WC Finals. He won the award in 1999, the 8th winner of the award. Most of the former winners barely made it to the senior team of their respective NT. However, Kroos and Cesu were winners in 2003 and 2007.
  2. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    One of the most (internationally) embarrassing moments in Belgian club football happened when Standard Liege team captain Michel Renquin performed the Nazi salute. I mentioned it before I think in another thread but now I've found the video. Difference with someone like Paulo Di Canio or the Greek footballer (2013) is of course that he meant it sarcastically, cynically and not as ideology approval.

    Other interesting trivia: much has been said about Dutch players phoning their wives during the 1974 World Cup. Recently released documents (declassified/made public) shows a telephone bill of 13000 Deutschmark on the day before the final (6 July). There was a surveillance programme (fell under the Interior Ministry).
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  3. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    #453 PuckVanHeel, Aug 25, 2015
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2015
    The question I asked (myself) in the other thread brought me here.

    There is a tragic element to all these retired sons you mention, to a greater or lesser degree:

    See this for Jordi Cruyff


    Among the players who are (by some or many) top five in their position Peter Schmeichel has done well of course.


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  4. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Hong Kong
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    Eddy Treijtel killed a gull with a goal kick during a match in 1970. The dead gull is now displayed at Feyenoord's museum. This is your territory, PuckVanHeel.
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  5. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    #455 PuckVanHeel, Sep 2, 2015
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2015
    I'll leave out the redundant and obsolete meanings. For example, I bet that 99% of the Dutch don't know what 'basten' means. The following are far from obsolete though, but sometimes it's in old spelling.

    Sneijder [snijder] - cutter
    Van der Vaart - 'from the canal'
    De Jong - the young
    De Boer - the farmer
    Winter - winter
    Kuijt [kuit] - calf (anatomy)
    Jongbloed - young blood
    Rijkaard - rich man
    Bosman - forest man
    Reiziger - traveler
    Bergkamp - mountain camp
    Blind - blind
    Kluivert - nibbler
    Schrijvers - writers [plural]
    Koeman - cow man
    Van Breukelen - from brooklyn ;)
    Stam - trunk (of a tree)
    Van de Kerkhof - from the graveyard
    Van 't Schip - from the ship
    Suurbier [Zuurbier] - sour beer
    Hiele [Hiel] - heel
    Zenden - sending
    Israel - Israel
    Van der Hart - from the heart
    Van der Kuijlen [Van der Kuilen] - from the hole

    To name a few.

    Re: Jordi Cruijff. He scored his only national team goal on 13 June (all nine caps played in the year 1996). It was the opening goal against Switzerland at euro96. At the same day, 13 June, Cruijff met his wife - and Jordi's mother obviously - for the first time (in 1967). An OK video with the goal on the 'NOS' website doesn't seem to work for foreign users (I heard) so I uploaded it to Dailymotion ( ).

    Also nice and true trivia.

  6. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Hong Kong
    Real Madrid
  7. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    On 13 December 1952, Cardiff City - who had just been promoted from the second division to the English first division - won 4-1 against Sunderland AFC. The next eight games they failed to score a single goal until Manchester City paid a visit to Ninian Park on 21 February 1953, a game which the hosts won spectacularly with 6-0.

    I don't know if it sounds that fascinating but for the times such a long streak of not scoring a single goal was really unusually, even for mid-table teams. Despite that goal drought, Cardiff managed to avoid relegation by reaching no. 12 in the final table.
  8. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Cardiff City managed some remarkable results that season (1952-53). They beat the previous year's champion Manchester United 4-1 at Old Trafford and also the champion of season 1952-53, Arsenal FC, 1-0 at Highbury. At home they finished off Liverpool FC 4-0 and of course beat Manchester City 6-0. They also won 2-0 at Stamford Bridge against Chelsea FC (champions in 1955).
  9. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Sunderland AFC have stunk at the start of every Premier League season of late with amazing consistency:

    2011-12: winless first 4 games/ 1 win after 8;
    2012-13: winless first 4 games/ 1 win after 10;
    2013-14: winless first 8 games;
    2014-15: winless first 6 games;
    2015-16: winless first 6 games and counting.

    :eek: Pretty bad for a club that were still all good enough to avoid relegation.
  10. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Read the other day that Alexis Sanchez is the first player to score a hat-trick in the top level of England, Spain and Italy.
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  11. AD78

    AD78 Member+

    Jul 17, 2013
    Manchester United FC
    That is some achievement even if not the only one, all he needs to do is go to Bayern and then PSG and get all the big five !!!
  12. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    I just noticed that Tommy Thompson managed to score in 11 consecutive First Division games in 1957-58 for Preston North End.

    His run:

    14.12.57 Arsenal v Preston NE 2-4 (1 goal)
    21.12.57 Preston NE v Nottingham F 2-0 (1 goal)
    25.12.57 Sheffield W v Preston NE 4-4 (2 goals)
    26.12.57 Preston NE v Sheffield W 3-0 (2 goals)
    28.12.57 Portsmouth v Preston NE 0-2 (1 goal)
    11.01.58 Preston NE v West Bromwich 3-1 (1 goal)
    18.01.58 Tottenham v Preston NE 3-3 (2 goals)
    01.02.58 Preston NE v Birmingham 8-0 (3 goals)
    08.02.58 Chelsea v Preston NE 0-2 (1 goal)
    22.02.58 Luton Town v Preston NE 1-3 (1 goal)
    01.03.58 Preston NE v Sunderland 3-0 (2 goals)

    His final stats for that season: 41 games, 34 goals (no penalties).
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  13. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    If we're looking a consecutive games scored, George Camsell had a pretty impressive run in the 1926/27 season (when he scored 59 goals in 37 games in the second division).
    In a 12 game spell he scored 29 goals - I don't have the opposition but the streak was 1, 1, 1, 4, 1, 4, 1, 2, 4, 5, 2, 3.
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  14. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    I had a look at Camsell's record during the 1926-27 season as provided by "ENFA" (excerpt see below). Anybody that is interested in English football history should consider subscribing to Enfa because the information available there is second to none.

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  15. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    OK, here another trivia.

    Very few Dutch football fans are actually aware that one of the two co-founders of FIFA was a Dutchman. Some would even say that Hirschman was the founder because the idea originated from him, before French co-founder Robert Guerin had the idea, and he was (arguably/perhaps) making the most efforts. At the time the aims and running of FIFA was still very idealistic. After the first World War and the stock exchange crash of 1929 he let the FIFA continue to operate (for an unsuspected source for all of this above: 'FIFA maffia' by Kistner). He was therefore involved in setting up the 1930 World Cup. Another Dutchman succeeded him in 1932 as member of the executive committee, Karel Lotsy.
    While many Dutch football fans are (at least vaguely) aware of the debate about his role during the Second World War (it's divided between historians who say he was definitely clean with not the remotest relationships, and historians who say he was wrong), and the feuds he had with Bram Appel and Leo Horn, fewer know his role directly after the war ended. He was the director/chairman of the 1949 World Cup organizing committee and re-started the FIFA. It was awarded to Brazil in 1946, and originally planned to have taken place in 1949. At later World Cups it became custom that the boss of the organizers originated from the host country (1954, 1962, 1966, 1974, 1978 are the ones I'm certain of) but 1949WC needed a quick but efficient and uncontroversial job.
    Later, with the sporting successes and reorientation of foreign relations the Netherlands ceased to be a neutral choice, coinciding with Horst Dassler his coup of the FIFA which revolutionized the mode of governance. The likes of Blatter, Platini (through Blatter) and Thomas Bach are his (distant) protegees.
    A historian on the radio placed Hirschman alongside Cruijff (needs no explanation), MvB (for role in cleaning the sport & professionalization of referees), Lotsy (fighting until his death for amateur football and against professionalism) if you talk about "influential" people..

    No bullshit above.. Maybe you already knew.
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  16. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Hong Kong
    Real Madrid
    Italy took a boat to Brazil for the WC Finals in 1950(I actually thought everybody did). Torino President Novo was in charge of organising the trip. he did not want to fly the team after the Superga accident the year before.
  17. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    The following is a listing of the "Football Champions of London" based on the peak position of London clubs in the Football League pyramid since the first appearance of a London club in the Second Division in 1893-94:

    1894 Arsenal
    1895 Arsenal
    1896 Arsenal
    1897 Arsenal
    1898 Arsenal
    1899 Arsenal
    1900 Arsenal
    1901 Arsenal
    1902 Arsenal
    1903 Arsenal
    1904 Arsenal
    1905 Arsenal
    1906 Arsenal
    1907 Arsenal
    1908 Chelsea
    1909 Arsenal
    1910 Tottenham
    1911 Arsenal
    1912 Arsenal
    1913 Tottenham
    1914 Chelsea
    1915 Chelsea
    1920 Chelsea
    1921 Tottenham
    1922 Tottenham
    1923 Arsenal
    1924 Tottenham
    1925 Tottenham
    1926 Arsenal
    1927 West Ham United
    1928 Arsenal
    1929 Arsenal
    1930 West Ham United
    1931 Arsenal (League Champions)
    1932 Arsenal
    1933 Arsenal (League Champions)
    1934 Arsenal (League Champions)
    1935 Arsenal (League Champions)
    1936 Arsenal
    1937 Charlton Athletic
    1938 Arsenal (League Champions)
    1939 Charlton Athletic
    1947 Arsenal
    1948 Arsenal (League Champions)
    1949 Arsenal
    1950 Arsenal
    1951 Tottenham (League Champions)
    1952 Tottenham
    1953 Arsenal (League Champions)
    1954 Chelsea
    1955 Chelsea (League Champions)
    1956 Arsenal
    1957 Tottenham
    1958 Tottenham
    1959 Arsenal
    1960 Tottenham
    1961 Tottenham (League Champions)
    1962 Tottenham
    1963 Tottenham
    1964 Tottenham
    1965 Chelsea
    1966 Chelsea
    1967 Tottenham
    1968 Chelsea
    1969 Arsenal
    1970 Chelsea
    1971 Arsenal (League Champions)
    1972 Arsenal
    1973 Arsenal
    1974 Queens Park Rangers
    1975 Queens Park Rangers
    1976 Queens Park Rangers
    1977 Arsenal
    1978 Arsenal
    1979 Arsenal
    1980 Arsenal
    1981 Arsenal
    1982 Tottenham
    1983 Tottenham
    1984 Queens Park Rangers
    1985 Tottenham
    1986 West Ham United
    1987 Tottenham
    1988 Queens Park Rangers
    1989 Arsenal (League Champions)
    1990 Tottenham
    1991 Arsenal (League Champions)
    1992 Arsenal
    1993 Queens Park Rangers
    1994 Arsenal
    1995 Tottenham
    1996 Arsenal
    1997 Arsenal
    1998 Arsenal (League Champions)
    1999 Arsenal
    2000 Arsenal
    2001 Arsenal
    2002 Arsenal (League Champions)
    2003 Arsenal
    2004 Arsenal (League Champions)
    2005 Chelsea (League Champions)
    2006 Chelsea (League Champions)
    2007 Chelsea
    2008 Chelsea
    2009 Chelsea
    2010 Chelsea (League Champions)
    2011 Chelsea
    2012 Arsenal
    2013 Chelsea
    2014 Chelsea
    2015 Chelsea (League Champions)

    Arsenal 58 times
    Tottenham 22 times
    Chelsea 20 times
    Queens Park Rangers 6 times
    West Ham United 3 times
    Charlton Athletic 2 times
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  18. NervousWreck96

    NervousWreck96 New Member

    Oct 29, 2015
    Towson, MD
    Manchester City FC
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    United States
    After the 1994 World Cup, U.S. Men's National Team goalkeeper Tony Meola announced that he would try to become a placekicker in the NFL. It never materialized. The New York Jets gave him a tryout, but he never made the roster. Afterward, he bounced back into indoor soccer before joining the Metrostars when MLS finally started play.
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  19. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Hong Kong
    Real Madrid
    It is well-known that Perugia signed Al-Saadi Gaddafi, Colonel Gaddafi's son. Perugia's then-head coach, Serse Cosmi refused to play him, despite Perugia owner's public plea with the coach. Finally 9 months after joining Perugia, Al-Saadi made his debut.... in an important, must-win match against Juventus (a key match for the relegation battle)..... oh well, the Gaddafi's family owned 7% of Juventus. Perugia won the match, but went down at the end of season. Coach Cosmi was sacked, but Al-Saadi Gaddafi was one of two players retained by the club.

    None of this was actually that weird and "interesting".

    The most interesting part is this.... Sense Cosmi went to coach Genoa the following season. After spending a year with Genoa, he joined Udinese. What did he do there? He signed Al-Saadi Gaddafi. Yes, Al-Saadi was the very first player he signed for Udinese. Al-Saadi would play his second match in Italy for Udinese under Cosmi. he never played for any other match, except for Cosmi.

    I thought Cosmi was the one who denied Al-Saadi's debut with Perugia.
  20. wm442433

    wm442433 Member

    Sep 19, 2014
    FC Nantes
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  21. Orlando Rays

    Orlando Rays We're not gonna let the elevator break us down
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    Nov 5, 2007
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    A Swedish YouTuber by the screen name "Lemmino" creates a series called Top Ten Facts, which explores trivia on a wide range of topics.

    His latest is an episode on football/soccer. It explores various primordial versions of the sport, the origin of the word "soccer", and a couple of the more violent moments in football history like the Soccer War and the Battle of Santiago (which led to the use of yellow and red cards).

    Some of his other episodes are rich in colorful language (he enjoys the F word, for some reason), but I didn't hear any foul language in this one, so I'm embedding it.
  22. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Hong Kong
    Real Madrid
    #472 Excape Goat, Nov 15, 2015
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2015
    This is Yugoslavsia vs East at the semifinal of the World Youth Cup in 1987. Yes, this is the famous Yugoslavia Under-20 team. They went on to beat West Germany in the Final. I posted this because East Germany featured Matthias Sammer in this game. We all knew that Yugoslavian players could not fulfil their potential because of political events a few years later. On the other hand, Sammer benefitted from political events a few years later.

    If things remained the same for another decade from 1987, perhaps, the players from Yugoslavia might have done a lot internationally while Sammer probably remained an relatively unknown player.

    East Germany was the European Champion heading to Chile 1987. They won the European Under-18 Championship that was actually held in Yugoslavia. They beat West Germany in the tournament. Yugoslavia actually only finished 5th.

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  23. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    According to "Playfair Annual 1956-57" (covering season 1955-56), Everton FC was the club who had the highest average attendance figures in league games at home in the First Division (42,767) but at the same time, the attendances of Everton's away games were lower than that of any other First Division side!
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  24. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Hong Kong
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  25. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Hong Kong
    Real Madrid
    Norwegian commentator Bjørge Lillelien lets fly at the English after Norway scored a 2-1 victory in 1981. I saw a highlight of it when I was a kid.... I laughed about it even through I barely understood English and never heard of some of the names he screamed out.

    The actual audio:

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