The Did you know thread. Uselss, but fascinating trivia, facts and stories

Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by Excape Goat, Oct 17, 2007.

  1. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Wish FIFA would have Facebook or Tweeter at time to make immediate PUBLIC votes LOL
     
  2. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
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    Real Madrid
    Evald Milkson was capped by Estonia during the 1930's. He served as the Deputy Chief of Estonian Sicherheitspolizei under Nazi Germany. He was wanted for his war crimes. He escaped to Sweden after the war and ended up in Iceland. he had two footballer sons, who were capped by Iceland. Jóhannes Eðvaldsson played with Cetlic FC, and Atli Eðvaldsson played with Borussia Dortmund.
     
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  3. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    #428 Gregoriak, Mar 17, 2015
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    Here ist something I cannot explain. I just watched a 19 minutes highlights version of Ecuador vs England 0-2 (24 May 1970). What baffles me is that the English outfield players wore shirt numbers from 20 to 29 (Gordon Banks wore number 3). It would have made sense if they had worn their World Cup squad numbers from 1 to 22 but 20 to 29 does not make any sense at all. Does anyone know why England wore these odd shirt numbers in that game?
     
  4. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    Feyenoord
    #429 PuckVanHeel, Mar 17, 2015
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    I think it is because the final selection was made after the two friendlies against Ecuador and Colombia. The staff worked with a so called A choice and B choice in their minds. England travelled with 28 men to the American continent, and six men would be dropped (incl. 2 goalkeepers).

    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:011015738:mpeg21:a0238
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:011197952:mpeg21:a0440

    To let Banks play with #3 doesn't show an established preference, sort of.

    Against Colombia they played with high squad numbers too.


    Another possibility is that the B-selection (with Bonetti in goal), which played earlier on the day against the university team of Ecuador, had already used up the lower squad numbers.
     
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  5. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    That makes sense now!
     
  6. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    I'm pretty sure that is right. The squad numbers aren't referred to (that I can remember) but there is quite a bit about the selection process in Jeff Dawson's excellent book "Back Home" about England at the 1970 World Cup.
     
  7. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Three generations related to Forlan won the the Copa America with Uruguay.

    Diego Forlan at 2011.
    His father Pablo Forlan and his maternal grandfather Juan Carlos Corazzo at 1967 as player and coach respectively.
     
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  8. Excape Goat

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    Mar 18, 1999
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    Peter Storey, a defender for Arsenal and England in the 1970's, was jailed for running a a brothel.
     
  9. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Also interesting that FIFA allowed the use of squad numbers higher than 20 in 1970 (for a friendly at least). I was watching the 1st leg of Linz - Barcelona 1974-75 (I had already compiled the 2nd leg for the Dailymotion channel I use) and it's mentioned that UEFA only accepted starting numbers between 1 and 11, for that particular match at least. And they also checked whether one of the teams didn't use #7 for a centre back for instance. For the 1976 european championships UEFA also prescribed to the Netherlands and Czechoslovakia the numbers, rather than that the national association could chose it themselves (for ex. #8 for the goalkeeper).
     
  10. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Injuries during tournaments can be a serious problem for squads. Usually it isn't allowed to call-in a replacement player after the tournament has started (or 24 hours before the first match), even if teams struggle to field a match-fit squad. Managing the fitness and energy consumption of a squad during a tournament is a challenge in itself. However, three rare exceptions at the World Cup and European Championships exist where teams got their way.

    Partially as a response to the injury-feigning of goalkeeper Rojas during the 1990WC qualifiers, FIFA placed in their guidelines to referees (March 1990) the feigning of injuries as attention point (after the tournament FIFA concluded it wasn't successful). They left the rare exception open that teams could replace injured players mid-tournament, but it needed clearance of the FIFA.
    Argentina and England both asked on 14/06/1990 to replaced their injured goalkeeper. Purportedly David Seaman broke his thumb in training between the first and second match. Goalkeeper Pumpido broke a few pieces of his body in the 2nd match against USSR. On 15/06/1990 they got permission to replace their goalkeeper and added Comizzo and Beasant. Even though both England and Argentina had three goalkeepers in their squad, FIFA would later make three goalkeepers mandatory because of this.

    The other exception took place in 1996. Before the final Germany had to face a few light and serious injuries and the suspension of Moller and Reuter. Their federation chairman Egidius Braun was well-positioned for lobbying a sudden amendment of the rules. He was vice-president of the UEFA, treasurer (CFO) of the UEFA, member of the UEFA executive committee, chairman of the organizing committee of the European Championships and member of the so called "UEFA Emergency Committee" - while their opponent was not. As a result, UEFA gave both teams the sudden possibility to call-in two new players until an hour before the match. In their statement UEFA did not just mention the injuries as reasoning, but also explicitly the suspensions; the suspensions justified two new call-ups.
    Czech Republic did, or could, not use this possibility. Their opponent called in Jens Todt.
     
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  11. Excape Goat

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    Mar 18, 1999
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  12. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    In a nutshell:
    http://www.thefalsenine.co.uk/2014/11/14/obscure-footballer-week-7-ronnie-obrien/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...st-surprising-transfers-to-foreign-sides.html
     
  13. Gosling

    Gosling Member

    Dec 22, 2014
    Watertown, WI
    Club:
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    United States
    Perth Glory officially began play in 1996, the oldest team in the A-League. Unofficially, they began life two years earlier as the Perth Kangaroos... in the Singapore league. The Kangaroos only lasted one season; most of the team reappeared as founding members of the Glory.

    There was another Australian team in Singapore in 1994 as well, the Darwin Cubs- the biggest moment on the soccer stage the city of Darwin has ever had. Perth and Darwin blasted the Singaporean clubs out of the sky, though it was partially due to Singapore sending its top players to play in the Malaysia Cup which, ha ha, what a silly idea that was.

    I get into it more here, telling it more from Darwin's POV than Perth's. For Perth's (more robust) perspective, go here.
     
  14. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
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    Real Madrid
    The Singaporean league has a number of foreign teams throughout the years. However, I found two more interesting than others. Sporting Afrique FC and Etoile FC were actually a club found in Singapore. So they were not really "foreign". The other foreign clubs were reserve teams from China, Korea, Japan, etc. Sporting Afrique consisted of players entirely from Africa while Etoile FC played mainly with Europeans. One of the African players ended up "living" in Singapore's airport. I do not remember his story. He caught up in a situation similar to the Tom Hank's character in the movie "Terminal".
     
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  15. Excape Goat

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    Mar 18, 1999
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    Roy Lassiter scored on his national team debut for the United States in 1995. His name made the news. However, it turned out to be bad luck for him. Detective W.E. Jordan of North Carolina saw his name on the newspaper and recognized that Roy Lassiter was wanted for for a break-in three years earlier. He was arrested soon after the game.


    http://www.socceramerica.com/article/15273/lassiters-goal-leads-to-arrest.html
     
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  16. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    The discussion in the "can Neymar surpass Pelé" thread about the 2000 player of the century internet vote (and what went wrong) reminded me of the following;


    It is indeed right that Pelé is the only player to have received the FIFA Order of Merit (in 1984), the 2000 FIFA Player of the Century, the 2004 FIFA Centennial Award and the FIFA presidential award (in 2007). All for basically the same thing. Franz Beckenbauer, as only other person, received all those things too (1984, 2004, 2012) but of course not the Player of the Century thing.

    In their statutes the Order of Merit is however their highest honorary award. Given to ex-players, managers, officials, politicians, and also befriended journalists and opinion shapers.
    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fifafacts/r&a-awards/01/20/85/43/170490-factsheet-fifaorderofmerit(1984-2010)_neutral.pdf
    [most recent list]


    By country, all recipients (excl. companies and organisations):

    Germany - 12 (none from former East Germany)
    Brazil - 9
    Russia - 7 (incl. 3 for USSR)
    England - 6
    Mexico - 5
    Spain - 5
    USA - 5
    Argentina - 4
    France - 4
    Switzerland - 4
    Uruguay - 4
    Japan - 3
    South Africa - 3
    China - 2
    Egypt - 2
    Fiji - 2
    Italy - 2
    Jamaica - 2
    Malaysia - 2
    Mali - 2
    Norway - 2
    Yugoslavia & Serbia - 2

    Australia - 1
    Austria - 1
    Belgium - 1
    Cameroon - 1
    Canada - 1
    Chile - 1
    Costa Rica - 1
    Ecuador - 1
    Ethiopia - 1
    Georgia - 1
    Ghana - 1
    Guatemala - 1
    Hong Kong - 1
    Hungary - 1
    India - 1
    Indonesia - 1
    Israel - 1
    Kuwait - 1
    Morocco - 1
    Netherlands - 1
    New Caledonia - 1
    New Zealand - 1
    Nigeria - 1
    Peru - 1
    Portugal - 1
    Ukraine - 1
    Saudi Arabia - 1
    Scotland - 1
    Slovenia - 1
    Sudan - 1
    Syria - 1
    Thailand - 1
    Togo - 1
     
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  17. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Some Man Utd stories I never heard before, but probably Man Utd fans all knew about them.

    Sir Matt Busby played his entire professional career for United's two greatest modern day rivals, Liverpool and Manchester City. He won a FA Cup with Man city.

    Man Utd was once known as Newton Heath. At one point, the club was going bankrupt. So the club captain Harry Stafford sent his dog to recollect donations for the survivbal of the club. The dog got lost. it was found by John Henry Davis and his daughter. When they returned to the dog to Harry Stafford, Staffprd convinced Davis to invest in the club and the club was saved.

    Carlos Sartori on record was known as the first non-British and Irish to play for Man utd. However, he grew up in England. He came from the Manchester Utd academy. Nikola Jovanovic was the first foreign"signing" to play for Man Utd. Jim Brown who was born in Scotland was the first player tp be capped by a non-British and non-Irish team. He played for the United States. He joined United after the 1930 WC Finals. George Hunter, Jimmy Nicholl and Charlie Mitten, all-British subjects but born overseas, were the first foreign-born players to play for Manchester United.
     
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  18. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    Very nice and interesting; where did you get that from?
     
  19. Excape Goat

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    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I googled "Fun facts Manchester United". I found out about the dog story. For the foreign players, I googled "first foreign players Manchester United". I saw a whole list of players who could be considered the first "foreigner". I read their bios and made my own conclusion. Jim Brown was spotted by Manchester United while playing for the United States. He actually should be the first foreign signing by them, but as mentioned, he was born in Scotland. His name was not mentioned in a lot of list I came upon.
     
  20. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
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    Real Madrid
    On August 18, 1962, Liverpool FC made a return to the First Division after 8 seasons in the 2nd Division. They lost to Blackpool at home, but the season marked the beginning of the golden eras of Liverpool FC. They won the league title the season after that. They would win two league titles and a singe FA Cul throughout the 1960's. We should be familiar with their record in the 1970's and 1980's. For the next 30 years, they were regularly at the top of the league tables and latter stages of the FA Cup.

    On the same evening, elsewhere in Liverpool, the Beatles performed for the very first time as John, Paul, George and Ringo. Ringo had featured with the Beatles as their guest drummer before, but on this very night, Peter Best was sacked a few days ago and Ringo performed as an official member of the group for the first time.

    Liverpool probably is best-known for two things, its football team and the Beatles.
     
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  21. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
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    FC Barcelona
    As a big time fan of the Beatles (I've been on the Paul McCartney message board a bit longer than I've been on Big Soccer :)) I have to be a stickler (or "ass", if you prefer) on this specific topic: The Beatles didn't perform in Liverpool that night. They performed in Port Sunlight, which is across the River Mersey opposite Liverpool.
    "Elsewhere in Merseyside..." :p

    [​IMG]
     
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  22. Excape Goat

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    Mar 18, 1999
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    I don't know my British geography.

    pS; i was at Paul's concert earlier this week.
     
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  23. Excape Goat

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    Mar 18, 1999
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    Georgre Best on Paul Gazza: "He wears a number 10 jersey. I thought it was his position, but it turns out to be his IQ."
     
  24. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    If we talk about music/sports. Some of these things below I never realized.

    Diego Maradona was born in 1960, for the majority of people the most talented footballer of all-time. Ayrton Senna was born in 1960 too, for many the most talented driver ever. With the exception of the Olympics and (maybe) some American sports, Formula One draws after football the most television money and audience.
    Bono was born in 1960, the frontman and songwriter of the most succesful post-babyboom band (e.g. quintessential babyboomers like Beatles and Rolling Stones). Other cultural 'icons' of 1960 are Jean Michel Basquiat, Micheal Stipe (R.E.M.), Gary Lineker, Jeremy Clarkson and Jean-Claude van Damme.

    Pele (1940) is in the company of John Lennon (most succesful band ever), Bruce Lee, Ringo Starr, Al Pacino, Patrick Stewart (Star Trek), Richard Pryor (most famous comedian of his generation?), Frank Zappa, Jack Nicklaus (greatest golfer ever?), Percy Sledge, J.M Coetzee.

    Cruijff (1947) is joined by the peerless Arnold Schwarzenegger, David Bowie, Iggy Pop, Elton John, Stephen King (million selling writer), Tom Clancy (ditto), OJ Simpson, Carlos Santana, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Gareth Edwards (greatest rugby player ever?), James Hunt (charismatic F1 driver), Brian May (famous guitarist of Queen), Emmylou Harris, Marc Bolan, Ron Wood (guitarist Rolling Stones).

    Others are free to add names, whose status I don't realize.

    Esp. Maradona + Bono + Senna seems a very strong trio to me for reasons said above.
     
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  25. Excape Goat

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    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Leicester's sex scandal in Thailand brought back memory of England's tour of Hong kong in 1996. Ironically, I was passing through London when the game was played. The English press was brutal about the game. England only managed a 1-0 victory against Hong Kong "Golden" selection. However, the team they played that night was not the Hong Kong League All-Star team as the press thought they were. They actually played against a local mid-table team named Golden. Mike Duxbury who was capped 10 times by England was one of their players. Lee Bullen, later, returned to England and became a club legend at Sheffield Wednesday.



    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1990-00/1995-96/M0721UoKK1996.html


    The tour was also remembered for the infamous dentist chair incident at a local bar. I knew that bar, a so and so wild place.

    http://online.thatsmags.com/post/englands-infamous-pre-euro-96-dentist-chair-incident-in-hong-kong

    which led to Gazza's famous goal and its celebration.

     
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