The death of Jamal Khashoggi

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    At this moment, the Saudis are going to claim he died during a botched interrogation. Let's see how high this grade A bullshit flies.

    The greater concern is how their leader is acting. He seems to be very dictatorial, very impulsive, and very reckless. Assuming this wasn't a rogue operation :)rolleyes: * 1,000,000) he ordered the execution of a fairly powerless opponent of his regime in a way that he can't possibly escape blame for. To me, this is like when Putin has someone killed in a way that is intended to send the message, Yep, I did it. What the ******** are YOU going to do about it?

    There's this weird 3 sided competition for power between Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. We traditionally have sided with SA. MBS introduces a wild card into the equation. Geopolitically, allying with SA makes sense. Allying with an impulsive totalitarian wannabe does not.

    It's a particularly frightening development, IMO, because of Trump. Trump LIKES impulsive totalitarians. He will state in an interview that he doesn't trust climate science because those scientists have a political agenda, but he does trust Kim. Who, apparently, does NOT have a political agenda.

    As always with Trump, it is difficult to know for sure what he says to set up some thin reed of plausible deniability, and what he says because he believes it. IMO Trump really does trust guys like Putin, Kim, and MBS. The problem in the short run is that Trump is ignorant and the easiest mark imaginable. The problem in the long run is the withering away of the US' moral standing in the world, and the concomitant weakening of the US' position.

    I hope I'm wrong, but I expect Trump to swallow this bullshit cover story, and for a great deal of brow-furrowing on the part of GOPs on Capitol Hill. That will soon be followed by the GOPs' complete capitulation to Trump.

    Each time the GOP mainstream decides that a totalitarian dictator is pretty cool after all, the next time gets easier.
     
  2. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    But..But...But...Think of all those jobs in the American Military Industrial complex.

    If American weapons are not used to kill children, then it will be Russian made weapons, is that what you really want?

















    Sadly that is what Trump really does think.
     
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  3. ceezmad

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  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Trump's excuse is it's just rogue states whacking their countrymen in foreign countries like England & Turkey. No biggie. We've done bad stuff overseas too. Why Flynn thought nothing of conspiring to hustle that Turkish cleric out of PA.

    Always useful to point out that we have a sociopath as president. It makes all this easier to comprehend.
     
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  5. Umar

    Umar Member+

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  6. ceezmad

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    Yes, as soon as they run out of oil.
     
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  7. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

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    "Well, if Vladdy says he didn't do it, you have to believe him."

    Same thing here.
     
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  8. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

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    I see we're being very harsh and direct with the Saudi's during our "investigation"

    [​IMG]

    hahahahah, no - of course we aren't, we're thanking them for letting us pretend to care.
     
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  9. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    Besides, Khoshoggi worked for the lying media. Trump probably sent Pompeo to Saudi to thank the king.
     
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  10. fatbastard

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    copying from tweet-thread:

    HUGE #Khashoggi update by Al Jazeera: • Khashoggi was beaten and drugged before he was killed • The murder executed in Saudi Consul General’s room, in Consul’s presence. (Citing Turkish sources)

    AJ continues to publish #Khashoggi updates: • Khashoggi was killed upon his entrance to the consulate, no interrogation was conducted, recordings show, citing Turkish sources

    Doctor asked Saudi Consul General to leave the room and continued to cut Khashoggi into pieces, recordings suggest, again citing Turkish sources
     
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  11. chaski

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    No collusion.
     
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  12. ceezmad

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    Wait the Turks had cameras to record inside the Saudi Embassy?

    wow, good for them, hopefully they publish the recordings, shit the Saudis counter espionage is as bad as their regular espionage.
     
  13. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    An account I read said they were able to tap into the phones the killers had.
     
  14. ceezmad

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    So the Saudis recorded the videos (probably as proof to the Prince that they did it) and the Turks intercepted the cellphone signals.

    lol, even better, like the embassy has no secure way to communicate with Saudi Arabian HQ.

    Men no wonder Trumps likes the Saudis, they are as incompetent as Trumps sons.
     
  15. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    It was in the consulate possibly the consul generals house not the embassy. It's still not a good excuse.
     
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  16. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Central Park 5 cleared by NY prosecutors.

    "I wanna see the prosecutor's evidence. They might have a political agenda."

    - DJT
     
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  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    What kind of music goes with body cutting? Classical or death metal?
     
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  18. ceezmad

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    Classical Arab music? I am sure they have some good stuff.
     
  19. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

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    Stealers Wheel
     
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  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Not sure there are any hipsters in Saudi death squads but ya never know. The prince has really opened up that society.
     
  21. soccernutter

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    So, what I'm guessing will come out of this:
    1 - Some people who are in opposition to bin al somebody (forget his name) will get executed
    2 - The Saudi's will say they performed a thorough investigation
    3 - 45 will praise them
    4 - They will still sell a shit ton of oil.
     
  22. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    You left off "buy planes and bombs from American companies."
     
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  23. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

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    One thing not mentioned here is the amount of personal money both Trump and his little hand puppet son in law have gained and stand to gain from the Saudi's. Qatar refused to finance Kushies 666 flop so the US and Saudi dumped on them.
    I think Trump stands to lose a lot if he doesn't back the regime Trump would love to have.
     
  24. VFish

    VFish Member+

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    The responses here are entertaining. The Saudis are a nasty bunch and don't deserve our loyalty (other than to counter the Iranians), but Khoshoggi is not the martyr BigSoccer paints him out to be.
     
  25. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Nobody said he is a martyr.
     

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