The Cyle Larin Offseason 2017-18 Saga

Especially when your point was lost along time ago.

 

I should have known. Ignore the context of the rest of the posts and take a phrase literally.

 

This thread has jumped the shark.

 

Time to shut this thing down. The Larin saga is over but the bloviating may never cease.

 

I think you are confusing the handful of Adidas paid deals with the way MLS deals with players on their own dime. According to this article on Martin Del Campo’s MLS contract voided stated that " Multiple outlets have reported that Khiry Shelton, the No. 2 overall pick in the draft by New York City Football Club, was the only one of those to have signed a guaranteed contract.."

One of the big issues the players had with MLS is that the league would terminate contracts during the season when it was next to impossible to find another team. . MLS teams are very loathe to sign guaranteed contracts in order limit hit on Salary cap (which as you should know isn't the case with GA).. As result they compromised to a contract guarantee date.

 

Correct. And some of those that are signed get their contracts voided. Del Campo which I just posted was one. You'd think the league would do a better job of vetting these,but the talent evaluations and scouting are exactly top rate.

 

There are pretty solid grounds. I'd say many on this thread were shocked at the contract Larin reportedly received. That is because many here assume players are paid close to what they are worth and don't really understand how successful MLS has been to limit salaries of domestic players.

For along people on these boards argued that players like Doyle and Gashi were paid because they were much better than domestic players. Go back a few years and you'll read clueless people arguing MLS players were all worth less than $100K because they were all so terrible. Now these same terrible players like Wondo are outscoring a league full of guys who are paid 7 figures.

Take the pedants team. In whoscored ratings, Badji was rated far better than either their market waged foreign signings but was paid $65K because single entity that come up through the US path. The disparity of contracts vs performance is quickly corrected in other parts of the world.

 

You can't accuse me of hating MLS as easily as you dismiss Borden because he writes cogent responses that are critical of the league people in here follow . I'm could care less about the CPL. Not only do I go to games, when the Galaxy played at a more reachable location I had a season ticket plan.

As I wrote earlier, if Orlando treated Larin the was they treated Omar, Landon or Keane etc,I doubt he behaves in a similar way. Galaxy didn't want to lose Magee, but the realized he well for them and they found a way to get him paid. I'm sure Kraft was absolutely ticked off at the Galaxy for giving a domestic player - a defender even - to get a DP level raise.

 

Asked and answered.

 

The labor market in world soccer is incredible fungible with the enormous amount of leagues and options throughout the world. In short players have options and MLS doesn't have a monopoly on soccer employment.

The fact that MLS signs all these players to contracts pretty much shows that the combination of benefits (pay, steady paycheck, cost of living, living in desired geography, etc) outweigh other options or they would seek employment elsewhere as it isn't as if options are limited.

The fact that an American could potentially make more raw dollars in Turkey or Israel or Ukraine doesn't mean they are underpaid. If they were underpaid then they would take those positions, but they don't, so they obviously feel that the package of benefits they receive from playing in MLS outweighs the options available to them elsewhere.

Sure. There are plenty of individual cases of both underpaid and overpaid players in MLS, but as a whole the league wouldn't be signing players if the benefits to the players were not competitive.

 

I'm not sure you understand the concept of fungible or even entry level economics. Just because two players might play at soccer at an identical level, the players themselves arem't necessarily fungible. If players were fungible, agents wouldn't care about your passport and El Salvadorian kids from LA would have the opportunities as Mexican kids from LA. But while this fungible fantasy world might exist in your head, it doesn't exist in the real world actual soccer players live in.

While the MLS first division monopoly north of the Rio Grande has little impact on players moving from outside the country that can sign with a hundred or more first division teams on their continent. However the combination of Pacto de Caballeros and single entity means North American based players,their families, spouses, girl friends have to be willing and able to travel to another continent to get paid. When you add employment restrictions, unfamiliarity, lack of contacts and other barriers north american based players face, one can easily understand how MLS with their ability to control employment to just one option, is able to use this power to suppress wages of North American based players.

 

Is there proof that the average MLS American/Canadian player is having their wages suppressed? Is there some other league that is willing to take in these average players that pays heaps more money? If so why isn't their a flood to said league? Why don't teams from that league pay transfer fees to acquire these players? Why aren't free agents flocking in droves?

 

This is a benefit that MLS offers.

By accepting less money from MLS a North America player doesn't have to uproot their family, move to another country, learn a new language, take a career risk, etc.

I could make more money if I uprooted my family as well, but I accept less because the combined benefit of staying where I am out now is worth more than the extra money I could make by doing so.

Nobody is conspiring against me to hold my wages down...if you take risks in anything the reward can be greater, but it is also risky. People pay less for the safe options.

 

Why would it be a slap in the face? The 15k was put in the contract before even a single goal was scored. The type of increase you are talking about require a new contract.

 

Uh, no. Orlando have been willing to negotiate a new contract since early 2017. That's SOP for talented youngsters in MLS.

 

That’s what YOU are saying.

1). They did negotiate a new contract. Terms were not met. Larin felt he was worth more to the club than Orlando thought he was worth. That doesn’t make Orlando evil or Larin greedy. That is business.

2). Orlando is under NO obligation to offer a new contract. They are also under no obligation to sell Larin. If hey wanted too, they could have made him stay there and play out the length of the contract.

That is how a soccer players contract works. A team pays a player an agreed upon amount of compensation to play games for said team for a set amount of years.

Both parties agreed that if the club felt Larin was valuable enough to the team, they could unilaterally extend the contract for another season for a predetermined, and agreed upon prior to the signing of said contract, compensation increase.

You seem to not have the first clue how these things work.

 

No. Not win.

Business. No more. No less. Business.

 

if It isn’t the norm why are you continually arguing like it is?

Are you a troll or just stupid?

 

I can almost guarantee you that no young players saw what happened to Larin and has a second thought about it.. NYCFC sold Jack Harrison to ManC and Montreal sold Ballou Tabla to Barcelona (B, but that'll be ignored). Those are just as likely to impact someone's opinion on the league as Larin's saga.