The current state of Women's D1 soccer

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by Tom81, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Germans4Allies4

    Jan 9, 2010
    May 1-7, 2016 was the last one.
     
  2. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    so a camp 2 years ago is a recruiting tool? Lol. Ok.
     
  3. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think this is right on. Plus, unless a person is a superb evaluator of talent who has seen each of the very good players play many times, there's even less basis for saying someone is "the best."
     
  4. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
  5. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
  6. Glove Stinks

    Glove Stinks Member

    Jan 20, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    She is phenomenal and deserving of this honor but to say she got stiffed by the Herman voters isn’t right. The Herman trophy goes to the outstanding collegiate player of the year. Hard to consider a player that missed more than a quarter of the season for international duty. The same could be said for Mace and Fleming
     
  7. Tom81

    Tom81 Member

    Jan 25, 2008
    Would I be correct to assume that Macário won?
     
  8. Glove Stinks

    Glove Stinks Member

    Jan 20, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    To be announced Jan 4th
     
  9. Tom81

    Tom81 Member

    Jan 25, 2008
    Who are the finalists?
     
  10. Glove Stinks

    Glove Stinks Member

    Jan 20, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Macario
    diBiasi
    Farrel
    My prediction is DiBiasi
     
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  11. Enzo the Prince

    Sep 9, 2007
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Yeah, it really is. Obviously. And what does "two years ago" have to do with it? They're YNT kids, that's when you recruit them.
     
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  12. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From your opening post, this is remarkably accurate based on a project I just completed. The only team you're missing is West Virginia. This has the teams in order based on their Massey ranking trends mostly over the last 12 years (the trend system is a little more complicated than that), but I don't take the exact order too seriously.

    Stanford
    UCLA
    Southern California
    North Carolina
    Georgetown
    West Virginia
    Florida State
    Duke
    Virginia
    South Carolina
    Penn State
     
  13. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member

    May 5, 2007
    This debate or discussion about UVA and Swanson is kind of silly. He's a great coach at a great school and has consistently been a contender in a great P5 conference over many years.
    Is he coaching in the USWNT program? Yes
    Are those contacts helpful in recruiting? Yes
    Does he recruit heavily from the USWNT program? Yes
    Does he also take chances on local/less known talent? Yes
    Does his association with the USNT staff help his players, or players he knows well? I assume also, Yes

    Anyone who's worked with or seen Swanson coach knows a few things. He relates well to players and he works his arse off. I've seen him fly back from a NT event and go right to a field to watch a local kid. This happened at CASL just a few weeks ago.

    Now - if you want to have a debate about whether college coaches concurrently working within US Soccer is a conflict of interest or a vested interest, that's another debate. Presently, that coaching is permitted by NCAA rules. Should the USNT staff be more "professionalized" and not be using college coaches?? Again, another debate for sure.
    But UVA passes the "kid test". Would I send my kid there, or my niece there, to play for Swanson - absolutely. And be thrilled about it.

    2 cents
     
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  14. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    Ok. So in your opinion has he underachieved or not? You have summarized what has already been said.

    You also ASSUME it helps his players by him working with the full team. Please. All i want is some evidence of this. I see none whatsoever.
     
  15. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member

    May 5, 2007
    Since you asked.....Not sure what metric you're using but underachieved in terms of winning titles, sure. Every coach that has a top-25 or so team that realistically thinks they can win a title should be pissed when they don't. But, it's a bit ridiculous to say that every coach that doesn't win it has "underachieved". How many great coaches are out there at every level that didn't "win it all". My HS coach is in local halls of fame because he won about 10 games a year for 25 years (12-14 game schedule) but never won a State title. Examples like this at every level.
    I mean in college women's soccer shouldn't Stanford win every year?

    So, on the one hand, if you made a list of the best coaches in D1 WS that have NOT won a title, you'd have to put Swanson in that top 10 for sure. But, if you were the AD evaluating him (or a prospective player), I think he's awesome. Great academic school and successful students, facilities, long term success (in NCAAs every year), has won the ACC, good experienced staff, producing drafted pro players, but yes, never won the big one.

    BTW - IMHO Dave Nolan is the Coach of the Year (again) for what he's done at Georgetown. Very unique place but a school/program I would send any good player in an instant that may never win a title.

    It's all relative. I mean Florida has won a title and I'm sure Becky Burleigh would say she 'underachieved' this year but I'm pretty sure she's a good coach.
     
  16. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    Ask the people who say he has underachieved. The ones who say he has an inbuilt recruiting advantage because of his part time involvement in the full NT. The ones who say because a domestic training camp was held at UVA in 2016, he has an edge.

    I think he is as good as it gets . period. Has had great success and continues to do it the right way.
     
  17. Enzo the Prince

    Sep 9, 2007
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    What if nobody is arguing to the contrary?

    You can be an excellent coach running an excellent program *and* benefit from your involvement with the national teams. In fact, you'd have to be the world's worst coach *not* to find a way to benefit from it.
     

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