The Containment Unit: The YA League Comparison Discussion

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Testudo, Sep 21, 2014.

  1. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I
    n their most recent Nation's league matches (competitive matches) the Danish national team included:
    14 DF Henrik Dalsgaard (age 29) 18 caps England/Brentford. Brentford (five years in championship) is currently 18 our of 24 in teh championship.
    5 DF Jonas Knudsen (age 26) 6 caps England/ Ipswich Town. Ipswich (15 years in Championship) is currently 24 out of 24 in the Championship.
    11 FW Martin Braithwaite (age 27) 29 caps, England/ Middlesbrough. (two years in championship) MidBoro is currently 6 of 24 in the Championship.
    That's three players from the English Championship, one of whom does meet your criteria, though just barely (though I'm sure you got decent odds when you placed your bet on their promotion, so well done). That roster also included three players in the Danish Superliga (two from Copenhagen), There were 2 players from the Bund, two from Serie A. 4 from the Prem. 4 from the Ere, two from France, and a player each from Spain and Poland.
     
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  2. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Martin Braithwaite is an unusual case. He may still be owned by Middlesbrough, but he has also been playing 14 games in the French league for Bordeaux this year and had also negotiated his personal terms with the Spanish La Liga side Leganes in the summer transfer window 4 month ago, but then all of a sudden, in the last minute, Middlesbrough would not let him go...

    Henrik Dalsgaard and Jonas Knudsen are just in luck that they are both full-backs, which is kind of the weak spot on the NT right now, not least after Riza Durmisi (who moved from Betis to Lazio this summer) and the Danish NT coach seem to be in some sort of dispute ... Besides Riza (who no longer get selected) and Jens Stryger Larsen (Udinese), then Peter Ankersen (FC København), Dalsgaard and knudsen are the only real options with at least some experience.

    Otherwise there are a few U-21 NT full-backs on their way, like Rasmus Nissen, who has only played 4 league games for Ajax so far this season, Joakim Mæhle who is a regular starter in the Belgium league for Genk, but only has won 2 caps for the U-21 NT back in 2017 and then Andreas Poulsen ( Borussia Mönchengladbach), who is only 19 and has not played any games so far in the Bundesliga.
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've no idea what BL2 is like as I've never watched it.

    I have watched many English D2 matches, whatever it was called at the time and considering the players are paid more than their MLS counterparts, the standard of play of most teams isn't particularly higher.

    I prefer MLS.
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bradley Wright-Phillips is a MLS phenomenon.

    He says he was pretty much washed up and joining the Red Bulls was a hail Mary.

    He was as bad as you'd expect given his record in England during his first season in Harrison but credits working with Thierry Henry for his incredible turn around.

    Among other things, Henry taught him to run off the shoulder of the last defender and to take his time in front of goal rather than snatch at chances.

    Sam and Luke Rodgers both played for Notts and were useful League One quality attacking players.

    Things have progressed though. Jay Simpson who is probably better than either Sam or Rodgers can't get on the field at the Union.
     
  5. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    How's the Belgian league compare to MLS? We have 2 Yanks there. Horvath and a defender. Would they both be starters at top clubs in MLS?
     
  6. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    asskicking, huh :coffee:
     
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  7. HockeytownHeel

    Dortmund
    United States
    Jul 23, 2018
    The MLS still has identify issues when it comes what it wants to be and its kind of sad most days.

    A couple of teams will showcase younger players while the others want to put fans in the seats and try and get has beens at contracts no one else would pay. Then you throw in some middling guys who were okay in college along with some South Americans and you get some strange soccer at times..

    Atlanta has a great model for success. Invest in inexpensive youth talent and attempt to tap into the hispanic market as well as the home town market. Then sell off pieces when its time and invest in more young ones.

    They have some talented young pieces who play and will only serve them better.. More of a EURO model for success. Barco, Carlton, Bello, Goslin, and Brandon Vazuez are players I think could play in Europe and likely will be sold by Atlanta in time once they get valued high enough.

    Surprisingly they kept Josef Martinez on the team when they had good offers for him too.

    If I was a young player, I think Atlanta's type of model is what I would search for. Not as familiar with SKC but noticed they seemed to like youth. They have Busio and Jaylin Lindsey. Not sure how much they play their youth at all.

    Back to the whole MLS thing, it seems they want to attract bigger and better players but they only ones they do just come to collect a pay day in the twilight of their careers.
     
  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is this 2006?

    Pity Martinez won the CONMEBOL player of the year award last year by a landslide. He's 25.

    Bryan Fernandez scored 18 goals and 5 assists in 25 starts in Liga MX last season, he's 24.

    Carlos Vela is still capable of playing in any top-flight league in Europe and only recently turned 30.

    NYCFC's new DP and striker is 27.

    And fewer and fewer college grads are playing in MLS. A lot of players in the Superdraft are still freshmen but if you look at Philly, Dallas or the Red Bulls, most of their young players came through their academies.

    I don't think Atlanta were trying to tap into the Hispanic market particularly in a city where only 5% of the population is Hispanic. They wanted to play with an exciting Latin-American flai, which still makes the appointment of FdB puzzling and somewhat disappointing.
     
  9. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The obsession with the EPL is comical. They had a good CL this year, in the year of the upset.....it shows because the team that won it couldn’t even win their domestic. You have 4-5 teams in the PL that are good, the rest would get dominated by the 5-6 best teams in the Bundy and Serie
     
  10. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    They have the best drama and do the upmost to promote themselves globally. So, even if they are crap; not many will ever realize that.
     
  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    They have the $$$ to attract the best coaches, so I expect them to keep some dominance for a few years, 3 to 5 maybe.

    But I've never been a fan of the EPL. I rather watch La Liga or Serie A.


    Refs in the EPL allow quite a bit more hard-tackling/body checking than in the continent.
     
  12. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Last season, English clubs defeated German squads with an aggregate scoreline of 17-3 in the UCL. No German club made it past the R16. The season before, Bayern were the only German club to emerge from the group (every English club did). Right now, IMO, the EPL is the strongest and most exciting league to watch, with some of the best talent to watch: Hazard, DeBruyne, Aguero, Salah, Van Dijk, Pogba etc.
     
  13. Midas Mulligan

    Midas Mulligan Member+

    Jul 24, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #563 Midas Mulligan, Jul 19, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2019
    Trolling, right?

    I don’t think winning UCL and not the PL backs up what you think it backs up.
     
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  14. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    This has happened to 12 of the 26 Champions League winners.
     
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  15. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The bottom half of the EPL is trash, the best teams play 10 matches a year worth a sht. Easily the most overrated league, but it’s the one that speaks English and is on NBC so naturally people gravitate toward it.....teams like Watford and Sheffield United sure get the thrills going
     
  16. Robdog

    Robdog Member+

    Oct 20, 2002
    Rancho Cordova, Cali
    Liverpool won the UCL & Chelsea won the UEL, so that could be the reason for the obsession
     
  17. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    and the bottom half of Serie A/Bundesliga are any better?
     
  18. HockeytownHeel

    Dortmund
    United States
    Jul 23, 2018

    LOL Im a bundesliga fan boy but your reasons for the popularity of the league are off base. Lots of money and high priced foreign players.

    Dont think its most overrated as France is to me. EPL teams bottom 5 are crap but so are every single leagues bottom 5.

    I dont think the Bundesliga top 5 can come close the English top 5. and in fact not ones top 5 is on par with the EPL. I think that is what separates a League and not measuring their worst teams. Look at Chelsea (last year), City, Pool and Arsenal and they ran through the Euro leagues.

    NBC is only popular in the US and the EPL is so much bigger than its USA english speaking fan base. The world has spoken and the EPL is the most popular at the moment.
     
  19. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    I feel like every time a league does as well as England did in Europe this past season (all English Champions League final, and all English Europa League final, with Man United and Man City also acquitting themselves well against other European sides), you start hearing about how exceptionally bad the bottom half of the league is. Especially since any claims about their quality will be largely unfalsifiable.

    Like yeah they look bad against other English teams, but the fact that so many other English teams are doing so well against the rest of Europe might just indicate that they look bad because they're playing high quality teams.

    A few years ago, during that spell when English teams were doing nothing of note in Europe, the alternative argument would have made a lot more sense to me.
     
  20. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i mean, you taking Hertha Berlin or Watford?
    Schalke or Bournmouth?
    Stuttgard or Brighton?

    At least those teams put up a fight.....Man City v Bournmouth? or Man City v Schalke? Whats the better game?

    The bottom half of the PL is freaking horrible, its bascially on the MLS level
     
  21. munichfan9

    munichfan9 BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Aug 7, 2005
    Burke, Virginia
    Yeah it is definitely the money for the players and coaches. West Ham who finished 10th last year bought Haller who was one of the best players in the Bundesliga/UEL last year. Then last year you had Fulham buying Seri from Nice for 27 million which would be a big signing for a top team in Germany. They also took Schurrle on loan, and while I think Schurrle sucks he was getting minutes on the 4th place side in Germany the year before.

    You also have Hassenhutl who coached RBL to a 2nd place finish in Germany taking over at 15th place Southampton. The depth in the EPL is incredible.
     
  22. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    You think that's a good example? They lost 7 - 0 @ Manchester City last year in the CL.
     
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  23. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i said it then too.....EPL has so much money now they will get better but its still not that good. They had a good year last year, sure.....it was 100% the year of the upset in the CL, lots of really good teams got taken out by much weaker sides. It happens. The EPL is good when the big boys play eachother but watching Man City dominate Watford for 90 mins is unwatchable.
     
  24. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Washington DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't think I would use Schalke as an example given they had a common opponent with Bournemouth... Both teams went 0-2.. but not sure you really want to use Schalke there.
     
  25. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The leagues have different agendas. PL is spend billions to win titles and BL is spend little, develop and sell for huge amounts to the idiots in England. All the while we still beat them on the reg.

    Lets see how it ends up this year....
     

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