The CBS documents

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  1. mozilla

    mozilla New Member

    Aug 12, 2004
    Mods - this topic deserves a separate thread. It will be the major news item on all networks and cable talk shows tonight.

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    There are a whole slew of reasons -- beyond those being debated on other threads -- to question the authenticity of the CBS papers:

    1. The 4 May 1972 order and the 1 August 1972 memo both have a letterhead for the wrong organization. Correspondence and orders in those days would be issued in the name of the parent organization -- the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group -- rather than the squadron. The letterhead is typed. They used printed ANG letterhead;

    2. Orders were issued on the standard USAF orders form. (I still have a stack of my old ones. There's not a "memo" among them). Campenni remembers that orders weren't issued as "memos" like the 4 May 72 document;

    3. The Killian "CYA" memo of August 1973 refers to pressure by Gen. Standt. The problem with this is that Standt retired in 1972. Why would anyone be worried about pressure from him?

    4. Jerry Killian, according to Campenni, never went near a typewriter. In the Air Force, in those days, notes -- if anyone kept them at all -- were handwritten. That raises questions about both the 19 May 72 and the 18 August 73 memos. And, lest we forget, bureaucrats -- not fighter jocks -- write "cya" memos.

    5. Orders -- like the purported 4 May 72 order to take the flight physical - wouldn't normally have been signed by Killian. They would be signed by a senior sergeant "by order of" Killian.

    6. The document includes include the superscript "th" in 187th. There are no keys on any typewriter in common use in 1973 which could produce a tiny "th."
     
  2. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

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    I agree... however the fact that CBS "60 Minutes" relied on faked documentation is hardly new... several stories that "60 Minutes" has aired over the years have relied on documentation which has been faked; one of their resident team of vultures: Ed Bradley, is the worst journalist in journalism history, and has roputinely relied on false documentation! There are leftist liberal nutcases coming out of the woodwork, rapid over Kerry's dwindling poll numbers, and trying to smear our President with false allegation! These faked CBS documents are just part and parcel of the smear campaign against GWB!

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  3. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

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    No it doesn't.
     
  4. mozilla

    mozilla New Member

    Aug 12, 2004
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    oh, the CBS news director standing by the authenticity of the memos (see below)

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  5. mozilla

    mozilla New Member

    Aug 12, 2004
    If life was fair and the Mainstream Media were balanced, the discovery of the forged 60 Minutes documents would have the same result the "16 words" uranium from Africa forgery had. Following the "16 word" standard, Republicans would be able to dismiss all claims against Bush having anything to do with the National Guard and Republicans would be able to declare that 60 Minutes, Dan Rather, and the Democrats had been lying all along about Bush's guard service.

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  6. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
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    If being a moderator has any meaning whatsoever, then for the love of God, merge this thread, or better yet, just delete it.

    In the alternative, rename it "Mozilla thinks he posted a funny, and wants to post it again."
     
  7. mozilla

    mozilla New Member

    Aug 12, 2004
    Chris, having problems with the truth?

    No doubt the Dems would love to see this story killed.

    Where did the forgeries come from? They didn't appear out of thin air; someone made them. Reports indicate that CBS had them for at least a couple weeks before they aired their story on 60 Minutes II (Motto: Twice the BS of Regular CBS Broadcasts). One pundit claims to have been been told by an un-named DNC staffer that an opposition researcher passed to the documents to the Kerry campaign which then turned them over to CBS (which would make sense as CBS has proven itself the most reliably anti-Bush in its reporting; if you were part of the Kerry campaign, CBS would be the place to leak oppo research to).
     
  8. Garcia

    Garcia Member

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